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Brutal latency/ping Recently

t27c
I Plan to Stick Around

I am wired, with the gigabit package and all of the sudden have gotten constant ping spikes for over the last few days. I haven't been able to play any games online because the crazy ping spikes and latency make it completely unplayable. My speeds are what they are expected to be, no issues there. I have tried hard wiring straight into the modem but alas, the issue still persists. I have tried switching cables, power cycling my devices, factory resetting my devices. The issue still persists. I have called and contacted Rogers multiple times and they say everything seems fine on their end. But still, the issue persists and is steady. resulting in me not able to use any of my gaming devices due to the brutal and constant ping spikes. It's frustrating paying over $100 a month for internet I cant use for the things I want it for. Any help or suggestions are welcomed and appreciated. Thank you

 

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Re: Brutal latency/ping Recently

herrshaun
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How the . do you use this site? I just put in a server and an "error" number increments slowly and then stops. What's that supposed to indicate?

Re: Brutal latency/ping Recently

Mcgronow
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A Rogers technician came by and said there was an issue with the signal due to neighbors having bad cables... said they would fix it within a couple days but so far I’m still getting lag spikes

Re: Brutal latency/ping Recently

t27c
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@herrshaun if you give it a couple seconds it should input a server for you. You don’t need to enter one

Re: Brutal latency/ping Recently

herrshaun
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mrq1
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After 2 months, 4 techs, 2 modems and countless hours spent to prove the problem is real - I am out.

 

Below is my personal opinion, YMMV.


What is common to all the complaints, AFAIK, is :

  • random high spikes in latency (100-8k ms). TCP/UDP/ICMP, all
  • normal level of signal
  • It is always the first hop after the modem - means CMTS (or maybe above)
  • It is not related to gaming. Any internet activity is affected
  • It is not related to wired/wireless
  • It is not related to specific modems types. It is not like Puma crisis
  • It started in the late December and on and off since then. Many (I think most) reported very stable connections before that, some for years
  • It is not related to packet size, small or large
  • It is visibly worse during prime times, usually 19:00-23:00
  • It is common to any internet provider connected to your cable. Rogers/Teksavvy/whatever


What it means to you,until it will be solved:

  1. No internet gaming
  2. No interactive work - ssh/telnet/RDP/Citrix/etc
  3. No stable video/audio calls
  4. No streaming

Good luck.

 

Re: Brutal latency/ping Recently

herrshaun
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I was told by a Rogers chat agent that the engineering department will not accept a trouble ticket if they provide too many additional details. The engineering department is actually offended by details that will allow them to do their job properly. No, I am not kidding.

Re: Brutal latency/ping Recently

Mcgronow
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Is the issue prevalent on Bell infrastructure as well?

Re: Brutal latency/ping Recently

Yes, there are a good number of Bell fibre customers who have noted latency to the U.S. East Coast.

 

https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r32655473-Lag-packet-loss-issue-to-AWS-us-east-1-VIRGINIA

 



Re: Brutal latency/ping Recently

@herrshaun I absolutely disagree with that statement.  That is not what I've seen in all the time that I've chatted back and forth with the engineering staff.  Unfortunately, these days, it seems that after @RogersDave departed Rogers, the remaining engineers on staff are far less inclined to converse directly thru the forum.  No doubt they are busy, but, keeping one's ear to the ground, so to speak, is a very efficient way to determine what problems exist so that an on the ball engineer can resolve the problems, simultaneously, for a number of users.  Please do not take that comment from the chat agent as a true indication of the attitudes of the engineering staff.  Full disclosure, I don't work for Rogers, never have and probably never will.  

 

Personal opinion, there's something going on with the Rogers infrastructure around the GTA that is causing major congestion, maybe its a DDOS issue, maybe its network configuration issues, or just plain growing amounts of traffic, don't know.  Whatever it is, Rogers is keeping silent about the problems, leaving the lower level tech staff to deal with a problem that they probably can't solve and unhappy customers as a result. 



Re: Brutal latency/ping Recently

mrq1
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120 ms . End of the world .
We are talking about 6-8 SECONDS on Rogers.

Re: Brutal latency/ping Recently

Mcgronow
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Yea 120ms is nothing compared to the 4-6 seconds I’m seeing. Gonna give it a few more days and if it’s still acting up I’m going to try switching over to Bell

Re: Brutal latency/ping Recently

JJSG
I'm Here A Lot

I've been having the same issues. Posting my ping and traceroute results below: 

 

Any conclusions I can draw from this? 

 

Google: 

 

Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8:
Packets: Sent = 50, Received = 50, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 4ms, Maximum = 1986ms, Average = 54ms

 

Tracing route to dns.google [8.8.8.8]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 10 ms 11 ms 13 ms CPEf0f249a513e3-CMf0f249a513e0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.227.82.1]
2 * 509 ms 9 ms CPEf0f249a513e3-CMf0f249a513e0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.227.82.1]
3 10 ms 12 ms 12 ms 24.156.143.225
4 11 ms 12 ms 10 ms 209.148.237.37
5 11 ms 10 ms 10 ms 209.148.235.42
6 27 ms 11 ms 13 ms 72.14.222.87
7 12 ms 13 ms 17 ms 74.125.244.145
8 11 ms 21 ms 14 ms 216.239.40.255
9 10 ms 12 ms 10 ms dns.google [8.8.8.8]

Trace complete.

 

League of Legends: 

 

Ping statistics for 104.160.131.3:

    Packets: Sent = 50, Received = 50, Lost = 0 (0% loss),

Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:

    Minimum = 15ms, Maximum = 3031ms, Average = 109ms

 

Tracing route to 192.64.170.1 over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    15 ms    12 ms    10 ms  CPEf0f249a513e3-CMf0f249a513e0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.227.82.1]

  2     9 ms    11 ms     9 ms  CPEf0f249a513e3-CMf0f249a513e0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.227.82.1]

  3   720 ms     9 ms    11 ms  DBG00A532.wbb.net.cable.rogers.com [24.156.143.229]

  4   541 ms    16 ms    11 ms  0-15-0-4-cgw01.ym.rmgt.net.rogers.com [209.148.233.125]

  5    27 ms    22 ms    31 ms  209.148.230.134

  6    23 ms    30 ms    19 ms  206.223.119.235

  7    27 ms    25 ms    33 ms  104.160.131.46

  8    32 ms    30 ms    34 ms  104.160.131.103

  9     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 10    25 ms    21 ms    21 ms  192.64.170.1

Trace complete.

Re: Brutal latency/ping Recently

AHxCode
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I was sent over a Technician to my apartment, they lowered my downstream. as for usage for gaming it is better but still not good. The technician says there is a temporary line outside my apartment, and he will put in a comment about my situation and the temporary line. Downstream Overview Port ID Frequency (MHz) Modulation Signal strength (dBmV) Channel ID Signal noise ratio (dB) 1 609000000 256QAM 4.700 10 40.946 2 603000000 256QAM 5.100 9 40.366 3 597000000 256QAM 5.200 8 40.366 4 615000000 256QAM 4.300 11 40.366 5 303000000 256QAM 3.000 1 40.366 6 579000000 256QAM 4.500 5 40.366 7 585000000 256QAM 4.800 6 40.366 8 591000000 256QAM 5.100 7 40.946 9 621000000 256QAM 4.200 12 40.366 10 633000000 256QAM 3.800 13 40.366 11 639000000 256QAM 3.900 14 40.366 12 645000000 256QAM 4.200 15 40.366 13 651000000 256QAM 4.500 16 40.946 14 657000000 256QAM 4.300 17 40.366 15 663000000 256QAM 4.300 18 40.366 16 669000000 256QAM 3.900 19 40.366 17 675000000 256QAM 3.700 20 40.946 18 681000000 256QAM 3.400 21 40.366 19 687000000 256QAM 3.300 22 40.366 20 693000000 256QAM 3.800 23 40.366 21 699000000 256QAM 4.000 24 40.366 22 705000000 256QAM 4.100 25 40.946 23 711000000 256QAM 4.400 26 40.366 24 717000000 256QAM 3.600 27 40.366 25 723000000 256QAM 3.400 28 40.946 26 825000000 256QAM 4.800 29 40.366 27 831000000 256QAM 5.400 30 40.366 28 837000000 256QAM 5.000 31 40.366 29 843000000 256QAM 4.400 32 40.366 30 849000000 256QAM 4.700 2 38.983 31 855000000 256QAM 4.600 3 38.983 32 861000000 256QAM 4.400 4 40.366 OFDM Downstream Overview Receiver FFT type Subcarr 0 Frequency(MHz) PLC locked NCP locked MDC1 locked PLC power(dBmv) 0 NA NA NO NO NO NA 1 4K 290600000 YES YES YES 4.800003 Upstream Overview Port ID Frequency (MHz) Modulation Signal strength (dBmV) Channel ID Bandwidth 1 36996000 ATDMA - 64QAM 37.000 4 6400000 2 22100000 ATDMA - 64QAM 38.750 1 3200000 3 30596000 ATDMA - 64QAM 37.000 3 6400000 4 25300000 ATDMA - 64QAM 39.000 2 3200000 OFDM/OFDMA Overview Channel Index State lin Digital Att Digital Att BW (sc's*fft) Report Power Report Power1_6 FFT Size 0 DISABLED 0.5000 0.0000 0.0000 -inf -1.0000 4K 1 DISABLED 0.5000 0.0000 0.0000 -inf -1.0000 4K

Re: Brutal latency/ping Recently

herrshaun
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@DatalinkIf you have contact with the engineering department, please tell them to troubleshoot at the times listed in the trouble tickets, or at least allow additional details in the trouble tickets. There should be no reason that people's tickets are getting closed because they did a quick ping test many hours later.

Re: Brutal latency/ping Recently

@herrshaun I agree with you.  Troubleshooting a congestion issue several hours later will no doubt lead to a "nothing seen, sank same", type of response.  That's very predictable.  It should be very easy however to look at the historical load numbers for the neighbourhood node, CMTS and follow on servers to see where congestion problems might have been present.  I think that not looking at that historical data is being wilfully blind to the problem.  I also find it hard to believe that the Network Operations Center staff wouldn't have the ability to look at load data in real time and do something about it.  I only wish that I had a better insight into how Rogers manages traffic.  I really wish that there was more contact within the forum with the engineering staff and the network operations staff.  That would go a long way in sorting out some of these issues.  This nightly congestion problem that appears to have arisen over the last month needs to go well beyond the moderators and field techs who have limited tools and limited authorization to address the issues. 



Re: Brutal latency/ping Recently

timfolkins
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I had the exact same thing happen. That's really frustrating to go thru the trouble with the Community people only to have it dismissed outright. I would expect it would be just as frustrating for the Community support people as well - as it's their time too.

 

In other news, this thread just continues to get larger and larger...

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@AHxCode your signal levels look much better.  Looking at the before and after numbers, I would guess that the tech installed a signal attenuator on the modem.  If you look at the back of the modem, do you now have a signal attenuator which looks like the following:

 

https://www.antronix.com/products/other/attenuators.aspx

 

If so you should see a number on the attenuator barrel, most likely a "12" as in a 12 db attenuator.  Can you let me know if the tech installed an attenuator and if so, what number is on the barrel of it.  If not, did the tech indicate how he reduced the signal levels?

 

You indicated that you have a temporary line to your apartment.  Are you in a small apartment block or perhaps an apartment in a house?  Just trying to figure out the details.

 

Downstream Overview Port ID Frequency (MHz) Modulation Signal strength (dBmV) Channel ID Signal noise ratio (dB)

 

1   609000000 256QAM 4.700 10 40.946
2   603000000 256QAM 5.100   9 40.366
3   597000000 256QAM 5.200   8 40.366
4   615000000 256QAM 4.300 11 40.366
5   303000000 256QAM 3.000   1 40.366
6   579000000 256QAM 4.500   5 40.366
7   585000000 256QAM 4.800   6 40.366
8   591000000 256QAM 5.100   7 40.946
9   621000000 256QAM 4.200 12 40.366
10 633000000 256QAM 3.800 13 40.366
11 639000000 256QAM 3.900 14 40.366
12 645000000 256QAM 4.200 15 40.366
13 651000000 256QAM 4.500 16 40.946
14 657000000 256QAM 4.300 17 40.366
15 663000000 256QAM 4.300 18 40.366
16 669000000 256QAM 3.900 19 40.366
17 675000000 256QAM 3.700 20 40.946
18 681000000 256QAM 3.400 21 40.366
19 687000000 256QAM 3.300 22 40.366
20 693000000 256QAM 3.800 23 40.366
21 699000000 256QAM 4.000 24 40.366
22 705000000 256QAM 4.100 25 40.946
23 711000000 256QAM 4.400 26 40.366
24 717000000 256QAM 3.600 27 40.366
25 723000000 256QAM 3.400 28 40.946
26 825000000 256QAM 4.800 29 40.366
27 831000000 256QAM 5.400 30 40.366
28 837000000 256QAM 5.000 31 40.366
29 843000000 256QAM 4.400 32 40.366
30 849000000 256QAM 4.700 2 38.983
31 855000000 256QAM 4.600 3 38.983
32 861000000 256QAM 4.400 4 40.366

 

 

OFDM Downstream Overview Receiver FFT type Subcarr 0 Frequency(MHz) PLC locked NCP locked MDC1 locked PLC power(dBmv)

 

0 NA NA               NO  NO NO NA
1 4K 290600000 YES YES YES 4.800003

 

Upstream Overview Port ID Frequency (MHz) Modulation Signal strength (dBmV) Channel ID Bandwidth

 

1 36996000 ATDMA - 64QAM 37.000 4 6400000
2 22100000 ATDMA - 64QAM 38.750 1 3200000
3 30596000 ATDMA - 64QAM 37.000 3 6400000
4 25300000 ATDMA - 64QAM 39.000 2 3200000

 

OFDM/OFDMA Overview Channel Index State lin Digital Att Digital Att BW (sc's*fft) Report Power Report Power1_6 FFT Size

 

0 DISABLED 0.5000 0.0000 0.0000 -inf -1.0000 4K
1 DISABLED 0.5000 0.0000 0.0000 -inf -1.0000 4K



Re: Brutal latency/ping Recently

AHxCode
I Plan to Stick Around
on the coax cable attached to the modem he attached something called a "9 fam 9 commscope", and at the coax cable leading to the outside cable (cant quite read it fully) he installed a "3 3". im in a small apartment block

Re: Brutal latency/ping Recently

AHxCode
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he said since im so close to the internet box outside (less than 10 ft from my apartment unit) that its not unheard of that my signal strength numbers would be a bit higher

Re: Brutal latency/ping Recently

@AHxCode ok, that makes sense now.  You're so close to the neighbourhood node that you can't avoid having high signal levels.  It is what it is, so signal attenuators are the way to go.  Here's the attenuators:

 

https://www.commscope.com/product-type/splitters-combiners-multiplexers/coaxial-passives/coaxial-att...

 

https://www.commscope.com/product-type/splitters-combiners-multiplexers/coaxial-passives/coaxial-att...

 

For now you could run a ping test to the CMTS, looking for any packet loss.  Given that you're so close to the neighbourhood node, you shouldn't see any packet loss, but, I'd run a minimal test just to see what turns up.  

 

To do this, bring up a command prompt.  Type in:

 

tracert -4 www.google.com                    This run an IPV4 trace to google

 

Assuming that you have the modem in Gateway mode with a direct ethernet connection to the modem, the first IP address in the trace is the modem, the second IP address is the Cable Modem Termination System (CMTS).  The path in this case is:

 

PC -> modem -> splitter -> local tap -> neighbourhood node -> CMTS

 

The path from the pc to the neighbourhood node is copper cable, the path from the neighbourhood node to CMTS is fibre.  In theory you shouldn't see any packet loss in either path or from the CMTS itself in high load periods.  But the only way to determine that is to run a ping test to the CMTS.  So, take the second IP address and use that for a ping target:

 

ping -n 3600 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx   where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is that second IP address. 

 

That test will run for one hour.  At the end of the hour, to copy the bottom results, right click on the top title bar of the command box, select Edit .... Select All.  Then right click on the top title bar again and select Edit .... Copy.  Then paste that into a text editor so that you can copy just the bottom results, and then paste than into a message.  For now thats the starting point, a limited test to the CMTS.  The next test will be a limited test to the Rogers primary IPV4 DNS at 64.71.255.204 

 

ping -n 64.71.255.204                     That is a one hour test to the primary IPV4 DNS

 

Same as before, please post the bottom test results.   

 

 



Re: Brutal latency/ping Recently

Yayhigh
I've Been Around

As of Thursday February 27 my internet has been consistently inconsistent. When i am gaming my ping would shoot up to 300 and be unplayable, ruining my hobby.  It also affects my internet surfing from time to time.   😞