05-07-2022 09:41 PM - last edited on 05-07-2022 10:21 PM by RogersMoin
I'm an existing Rogers customer, maybe for 10+ years so we got the switch over to Rogers Ignite quite late (about a month ago). Switched from the legacy modem and red tv-box to the XB7 White Modem Router and the Tiny Black Wifi TV Box.
Right after the switch in the hardware, we also switched from the 200down to 500down plan. The new speeds were incredible and worked as advertised, minus the stability. The old modem router rarely pooped itself, but after switching to the new one we've had disconnects and high ping spikes on all devices in the household, both wired and unwired.
At that time we called Rogers Tech Support, they inspected the line coming into our home and said it was old and outdated, so they changed our line immediately on the outside the same day (it was real fast). Then they checked our signal using a measurement device and said it was low, and that there was some work being done in the neighborhood. Okay, that was reasonable so I adhered to the tech support's advice by waiting out 10 days until that "fix" was done. I checked every day on the rogers tech support website via the Chat Agent named "Anna"; Anna told me daily that I wasn't the only one experiencing these technical issues and that I should wait and check back later for my issues to be resolved. After like 2.5 weeks (way more than 10 days by the way) it was finally resolved according to Anna, was it resolved? Not at all. So we call in tech support again to replace our modem router just in case. They did it as per request and scratched their heads because our signals were "fine". This was like 3 tech support visits in with 0 solutions, I don't really blame them cause they only know what they're trained. But from a customer standpoint, I can't attend my remote work calls without being dropped, my TV freezes all the time, my family's phone connection drops. Really frustrated, and nobody can solve our problems.
Anybody here have similar issues? and perhaps solutions?
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01-08-2024 05:34 PM
Some of that was above me knowledge but what you are saying is I should invest in the attenuator (which is not expense). However, by looking at it, it should be installed outside in the grey box where my cable comes from. That box is locked with key by Rogers.
01-08-2024 06:02 PM - edited 01-08-2024 06:04 PM
@nugpot I would install downstream attenuators at the modem. What that will do is keep the signal levels high until it hits the attenuators. After the attenuators, the downstream signal level will drop to a normal level, near 0 dBmV. Installing them at the modem will ensure that any noise that is picked up, inside the house, will drop before it hits the modem. The cable shield will normally shunt any noise to ground, but, in cases of high noise levels imparted to the cable, along its path to the modem, the center copper conductor can be subjected to external noise. So, dropping that noise by 9 dB, just before the modem would be the preferred action to take.
You could try calling tech support to see if they can arrange for a tech to drop off a couple of attenuators. I think that would be hit and miss. I've seen reports of downstream attenuators installed by Rogers techs, but, I don't know if that means a contact tech, or a real Rogers tech or if it means that the tech actually had the correct Forward Path Attenuators on hand. If you happen to come across a Rogers tech during your daily travels, stop and ask him or her if they have a 6 dB and 3 dB Forward Path Attenuator in the van. You need both attenuators to drop the downstream signal level. You never know, you might be lucky and receive both attenuators. Nothing ventured, nothing gained as they say.
I would still discount the use of an splitter to accomplish the same objective as it would push the upstream signal levels near the modem's failure point.
01-10-2024 05:12 PM
I'm trying to source the attenuators locally rather ordering them form Fl. In the meantime, I'm now getting uncorrectable codewords
CM Error Codewords | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Channel ID | 23 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | 32 | 33 |
Unerrored Codewords | 3327932468 | 1286442428 | 1286696775 | 1286710192 | 1286728797 | 1286745498 | 1286753819 | 1286767911 | 1286695258 | 1286794220 | 1286812075 | 1286816651 | 1286823454 | 1286838022 | 1286844310 | 1286852219 | 1286864990 | 1286879925 | 1286893855 | 1286904300 | 1286917694 | 1286932671 | 1286940400 | 1286949343 | 1286966274 | 1286967763 | 1286966265 | 1287001909 | 1287010953 | 1287028388 | 1287031504 | 1287033994 | 3327932468 |
Correctable Codewords | 3164927044 | 0 | 383 | 518 | 374 | 637 | 389 | 365 | 206 | 380 | 542 | 586 | 393 | 404 | 374 | 552 | 547 | 388 | 512 | 364 | 435 | 361 | 384 | 436 | 454 | 374 | 406 | 428 | 387 | 581 | 400 | 390 | 3164927044 |
Uncorrectable Codewords | 85 | 0 | 1926 | 2649 | 1938 | 2499 | 1919 | 1949 | 949 | 1929 | 2571 | 2585 | 1919 | 1916 | 1934 | 2635 | 2654 | 1921 | 2444 | 1974 | 1887 | 1952 | 1951 | 1903 | 1956 | 1941 | 1936 | 2110 | 1916 | 2606 | 1913 | 1923 | 85 |
01-10-2024 10:21 PM - edited 01-10-2024 10:23 PM
Yup, there are a small amount of Uncorrectable Codewords present. They're a very small percentage compared to the Unerrored Codewords. The problem here is that Rogers has been completely silent on the data split between the QAM channels (1 to 32) and the OFDM channel (33) which runs thousands of data sub-carriers. There is a chance that the QAM data is completely irrelevant, both in terms of the Unerrored Codewords and the Uncorrectable Codewords. If we had a good idea of that data split, we'd be able to tell you if the QAM channels were really relevant the modem's operation.
The only people who have access to the internal OFDM channel data are the moderators, the Level II techs and the field techs, although I'm not convinced that the contract techs have access to that data or know what to do with it.
The specific attenuators that I pointed out can't be purchased in Canada. There might be a Taiwanese version around these days, but I haven't looked recently. Rogers uses, for the most part, Sub Split Docsis, which means that the upstream channels are running in the 5 to 42 Mhz range, and the upstream is running in the 108 (?) to 1002 Mhz range. The lower 108 Mhz might be set to somewhere around 200 Mhz. The next increase in Docsis frequencies is Mid-Split, which runs the upstream channels in the 5 to 85 Mhz range, and runs the downstream in the 200 or 300 Mhz range up to 1218 Mhz.
The attenuators that pointed out are rated to run the upstream channels in the 5 to 85 Mhz range and the downstream in the 300 to 1218 Mhz range. So, they're ready to support the next generation mid-spit channel ranges.
I've seen posts indicating that Rogers has already employed mid-split channel configurations in some locations, so Rogers is more than ready to switch to that configuration. I suspect that it will take a while to accomplish this due to the changes in equipment that will be necessary to run mid-split configurations.
The typical attenuator that you buy these days only runs 5 to 42 Mhz for the upstream channels and 200/300 Mhz to 1002 Mhz for the downstream channels. So, if you do buy attenuators that fit this description, at some point in time you'll cut off part of the upstream channel range, and potentially the upper 1002 to 1218 frequency band for the downstream channels.
Buying a typical set of Forward Path Attenuators would probably suffice today, but, at some point in the future, they will cause problems due to the frequency mismatch between the Attenuator and Operational frequencies. If you go down this path, this is something that you will have to keep in mind. I'm simply advising buying a set of attenuators that will be suitable for today and sometime tomorrow.
I would hope that the attenuators that Rogers techs might have on hand are designed for mid-split operations. I believe that the Antronix splitters that Rogers uses these days are suitable for mid-split ops, so, it would make some sense that the Forward Path Attenuators are as well.
03-24-2024 08:42 AM
03-26-2024 08:18 AM
Good morning @RetSgtFlegg!
When you lose connection, does the light pattern on your modem change? How long are you losing connection for? Are you losing connection on both WiFi and Ethernet simultaneously?
If you have any test results from tests that you've run that show this issue happening, please paste them here so we can review them.
Regards,
RogersCorey