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NextBoxes kicked off the network

FredGarvin
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Anyone else having digital TV NextBox problems?

I have three of them, two 4642HD's and one 9800 PVR.

Yesterday (Thursday the 6th) we woke up to find the two 4642HD boxes stuck on -01- after being rebooted, which I guess occurred during the usual nightly download of the guide and any software upgrades. They were operational up to 10:00 PM Thursday night.

I have rebooted them several times with no luck.

This morning (Friday the 7th) the 9800 PVR is frozen at -01-.  It was operational until 1:30AM last night.

Rogers telephone support had no idea other than the go to Ignite spiel.

I did get to speak with a very nice manager, who couldn't help me technically unfortunately but was also part of the retention team.  If we do stay with Rogers at least we have a reasonable Ignite package to go with.

However after being a customer for 32 years (30 of them with minimal problems) and the last two years at close to $250.00 a month and now this . , staying is not my first choice. Thanks to the big monopolies there is no other choice beyond OTA as Bell doesn't have Fibe in my area (they have the nerve to offer satellite. I live near Stouffville). All of the other third party IPTV choices operate on Roger's cable infrastructure.

I am in DM conversation with the moderators but it seems there is nothing technically that they can do.

Just curious if I am the only one or are others being force relocated to Ignite?

 

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Re: NextBoxes kicked off the network

beez
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Same issue here. 3 different Nextboxs (one 8600HD and two 4642HD) suddenly stuck at -01- when booting.

This MUST be at their end, as I still have one 9865HD working perfectly. So far.

 

Going to call tech and if no solution is forthcoming, move the call to Customer Retention. I own all my Nextboxs and don't look kindly on having to now RENT several 'Ignite' boxes...and that seems to be the optin they are pushing me/us towards. Anyone else experiencing this sudden freeze of their Nextboxes?

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57
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@beez : Have you tried moving each of the not-working boxes to the location of the working 9865?  Have you measured the signal strength of the 9865 as discussed earlier in this thread - link below:

 

https://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/TV/NextBoxes-kicked-off-the-network/m-p/506410/highlight/true#...

 

Different boxes can require slightly different signal strength, however, if the signal at the 9865 is marginal, then that may explain the other boxes not working at their locations.  As stated earlier, Rogers is highly unlikely to provide technical assistance.  

 

Another thing to try is temporarily remove any splitters in the home to increase the signal and also determine if a splitter may be faulty. Also move the boxes as close as possible to the demarcation point in the home.

 

What you need to look at is the overall price of switching to Ignite, not only the rental price of the boxes. Also, you may be able to negotiate a free box or two or something else when switching...

Re: NextBoxes kicked off the network

tomotvos
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Starting with a "me too" post, on my 8642HD NextBox. Suddenly not getting channels, and the reboot is stuck on "01". I was told by the tech that Rogers no longer has these boxes to replace, so my only choice was Ignite. I do plan to do some of the troubleshooting described here, and hopefully resurrect the box. The tech said the signal strength should be ok since my home phone and internet continue to work, but I am a bit skeptical. Does that pass the sniff test to the more knowledgeable folks here (such as @57 )?

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57
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@tomotvos I don't really have anything to add outside of what I posted in the post above yours.  Rogers is unlikely to help with your legacy equipment, since they are trying to migrate everyone to IgniteTV

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tomotvos
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Thank you, @57. Is there a way to see the signal strength from the diagnostics page on the 8642 (from the Vol+/Info combo)? What do I look for there? In another post, someone was asked to post the signals from the router DOCSIS WAN. Here is mine, if that is any help:

Port IDFrequency (MHz)ModulationSignal strength (dBmV)Channel IDSignal noise ratio (dB)
1663000000256QAM-3.2001840.366
2579000000256QAM-3.500540.366
3585000000256QAM-3.600640.366
4591000000256QAM-3.200740.366
5597000000256QAM-3.300840.366
6603000000256QAM-3.500940.366
7609000000256QAM-3.5001040.946
8615000000256QAM-3.8001140.366
9621000000256QAM-4.0001240.366
10633000000256QAM-3.5001340.946
11639000000256QAM-3.1001440.946
12645000000256QAM-2.9001540.366
13651000000256QAM-2.9001640.946
14657000000256QAM-2.9001740.366
15279000000256QAM-4.200138.605
16669000000256QAM-3.5001940.366
17675000000256QAM-3.6002040.946
18681000000256QAM-3.7002140.366
19687000000256QAM-3.2002240.366
20693000000256QAM-3.0002340.366
21699000000256QAM-2.6002440.366
22705000000256QAM-2.3002540.946
23711000000256QAM-2.6002640.366
24717000000256QAM-2.8002740.946
Upstream Overview
Port IDFrequency (MHz)ModulationSignal strength (dBmV)Channel IDBandwidth
125900000ATDMA - 64QAM49.75066400000
238700000ATDMA - 64QAM50.25086400000
332300000ATDMA - 64QAM50.25076400000
421100000ATDMA - 64QAM46.50053200000

 

Unclear to me if any of this is good or bad.

Re: NextBoxes kicked off the network

beez
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I did actually try the suggestions given. No joy 😢

The "working" box STOPPED WORKING when I tried swapping out the others to it's connection to test them.

After (failed) testing, I plugged in my "working" box, only to find that it locked up at 01 as well.  I bit the bullet, called the Customer Retention line, and got a comparable price on my Ignite package.

That said, they somehow lost my North America-wide long distance on the home phone and the Caller ID function no longer shows on my television, as it did in the old "cable" days.

Re: NextBoxes kicked off the network

57
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@tomotvos wrote:

Thank you, @57. Is there a way to see the signal strength from the diagnostics page on the 8642


Here's the link previously provided, it's pretty old info, but should still work:

 

https://www.digitalhome.ca/threads/57-faq-tips-for-sa-cisco-stbs-also-pace.17719

 

1) Press and hold the Exit key for two seconds until the power LED flashes on the front panel of the box.
2) In quick succession, press the down arrow button twice, then press the 2 button. This will get you into the diagnostics section where you can browse all kinds of information - see RTN link below and/or items 6-10 below for appropriate signal levels:

 

7. The signal strength information is on page 5. You need to look at the QAM side. The "level" should be between -10 and +10, with zero being about optimum (for digital stations). If the level is below -10, you'll see the number change to "orange" for "warning". You may have to change splitters, cable, etc to rectify the situation. Call your service provider and they'll usually rectify with better splitters, cable, possibly an amp or a new "drop" into your house. (Interestingly, many of us have found that the SA8300HD gives "false" signal strength readings of -20. If all other readings are "normal" and you've got no other issues, do not worry about a -20 reading on the SA8300HD)
8. On the same page is the Signal/Noise ratio. The S/N ratio is good if it’s at about 35 dB or higher, although a good HD signal can be received with slightly lower numbers. If your S/N is around 30-32 (or less) though, that could be a source of problems.

Re: NextBoxes kicked off the network

tomotvos
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Hmm, not sure what "2" button is. My STB doesn't have any digits. But I can get to QAM status using the Vol+/Info move, although all the values are "n/a". Since I cannot get past "01" on the boot up sequence, I cannot do anything with the remote.

Re: NextBoxes kicked off the network

57
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As indicated in a previous post....

 

Another thing to try is temporarily remove any splitters (or amps) in the home to increase the signal and also determine if a splitter may be faulty. Also move the boxes as close as possible to the demarcation point in the home.  Try a few reboots...


Good Luck.

Re: NextBoxes kicked off the network

tomotvos
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As an update, I hooked up the STB to the cable coming into the house, and still stuck on "-01-". This happened so suddenly, I still can help but thing this is a Rogers-thing and not a problem with the box. It was working perfectly, until it wasn't and I lost all specialty channels.

 

I *can* get a box on Kijiji for $40, or I may just bit the bullet with Ignite. Frustrated to be forced to do something, though.

Re: NextBoxes kicked off the network

Pauly
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To be quite honest, Rogers did give sufficient notice that the legacy digital cable television service is at the end of its life.

The reason they did this is so if you chose to continue with television, and switch to ignite, you would change it over when you still have working services, then you have no service interruptions, if you procrastinate and wait until something breaks, you know the service is limited and end of life, so the only thing you are doing is inconveniencing yourself, and being without service, plus chances are, more people in your neighbourhood may experience the service issues as well, thus compound the problem, so that means more people will be calling to migrate their service than the normal amount they usually get, thus this "will" put a strain on the dispatch crew and cause more delays, your only hurting yourself by waiting for something catastrophic to happen to your cable tv and not migrating early.  If you are happy with Rogers and want to continue, migrate early to ignite, or don't and stop using their services.

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57
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@tomotvos wrote:

As an update, I hooked up the STB to the cable coming into the house, and still stuck on "-01-". 

I *can* get a box on Kijiji for $40, or I may just bit the bullet with Ignite. 


Your 8642 is a very old and slow box. Most times you can get a replacement for free, especially that old box, however, Rogers will not activate boxes transferred from one customer to another any more. As mentioned, Rogers is stopping legacy services, so your choice is to migrate to IgniteTV, or switching providers, or "cutting the cord."

 

IgniteTV has been around for around 6 years and I'm surprised that Rogers has allowed legacy equipment to be active for this long.

 

If you're going to migrate to IgniteTV, I suggest you read a few of the recent posts in that section of this forum so that you can be familiar with what you'll be getting and also check out the IgniteTV Knowledge Base:

 

https://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/Ignite-TV/tkb-p/IgniteTV@tkb I read most of these so I would be familiar with things I needed to know when the migration occurred.

 

 

Re: NextBoxes kicked off the network

tomotvos
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No argument that 8642 is slow and old. It is horrible, actually. As to turning off legacy digital, I certainly had not been notified that my service was being turned off. And the support person did not indicate that my service was turned off. Sure, it will be deprecated, and I am ok with that. But I have/had no indication that my hand was being forced right now.

Re: NextBoxes kicked off the network

57
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@tomotvos wrote:

...As to turning off legacy digital, I certainly had not been notified that my service was being turned off. 


It may not be.  It may be that your box is shot.  Check out the following links from about 6 months ago:

 

https://www.rogers.com/support/digital-cable/digital-tv-box-retirement

 

https://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/Account-Support/Rogers-email-about-decommissioning-cable-boxes...

 

Although the 8642 is not on the list, it probably should be, considering the age ,and again, this is not "news" to most people and unfortunately, people who waited too long may be without service (for whatever reason) while they consider options.

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