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I Plan to Stick Around
Posts: 11

Re: Wi-fi calling on unlocked Android devices

Hi Shawn,

Sadly, since you've gone straight to the OEM you have forfeited your ability to utilize this native Rogers feature.

As previous posts have expressed, phones that have been purchased outside of a Rogers store/branch fall into the "greymarket" category.

Welcome to the "waiting club" with potentially no commitment from Rogers to enable WiFi Calling and VoLTE. Oh, and if you call Samsung Canada, they won't be able to do anything; I've already tried.
I'm Here A Lot
Posts: 6

Re: Wi-fi calling on unlocked Android devices

Thanks for the reply.

 

The main reason I went straight to the OEM is price. The 2 phone were a lot cheaper direct from Samsung (listed price). Also, they have a promotion going on where you trade in your old phone and get a minimum $150 off the phone plus the value of the trade-in. Rogers has a similar program but you have to sign up to the share everything plan which I wont do. Since I bought my phone from the OEM, where does my firmware updates come from, Rogers or Samsung?

 

Cheers,

Shawn.

I'm a Senior Advisor
Posts: 2,144

Re: Wi-fi calling on unlocked Android devices

See this description of how upgrades for software on phones is done by Telus - it represents the same practices by all companies in Canada.

 

 

https://forum.telus.com/t5/Neighbourhood-Blog/Software-Update-Life-Cycle/ba-p/53596

 

So, both the manufacturer and the carrier are involved in the process.

 

But the decision to not provide a feature is claimed to be due to network comatability and fully tested features on their network, but that doesn't hold water for me - a download and registration to activate the features on the phone you buy from Rogers was done by them and the manufacturer on the locked phones.  Blackberry for years put out versions of their current software builds for each company, and you could get it automatically, or go to their site to get it.

 

Even if they charged a fair cost to activate the home EMEI and the feature set, and download the update to your phone, there is no reason it can't be done.  That is how it used to be done, and they do it every day on their own branded phones before you get them.

 

So I say it is an active choice by Rogers and the others to restrict our choice to where we choose to buy our phones, who we want to handle warrenty support directly with.

 

It is not a grey market - it is a product developed and distributed directly from the manufacturer unlocked, which Canadian companies cannot restrict anymore,  I say, take it to the CRTC as a retriction of choice of where to purchase, and to move carriers.

 

I do know they are looking at it.

 

It is no different than the lock issue and we know what the CRTC did with that one, then the companies pulled this one, around the first time locking was permitted at a fee - FM on cell phones, they cut off when they pushed spotify - grey market - it is non Rogers market supplied, that is not grey.

 

Bruce

Bruce

I'm a Senior Advisor
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Re: Wi-fi calling on unlocked Android devices

I did some more research on this topic and found the following:

 

The only manufacturer at this time that restricts carriers from disabling any feature set on their phones is Apple.  This is because of their commitment to the security of their phones - they are not about to give proprietary in formation on anything about their software and devices to anyone, even the government in order to protect their control over the integrity of the device.

 

So it means that carriers have to provide Apple developers with the feature sets that they want activated and any software like MyRogers, Anyplace TV, etc to apple, and they test it fully and provide it directly to the customer via their Apple store channels.  No updates come from the carrier directly, only via Internet to the Apple Store.

 

Blackberry used to do this too, but when they switched to Android they did not.

 

So Android farms this function and places their products at the whim of the carrier.  I am not a fan of Apple in general, just me, but I do like them for their position on this one.  Blackberry layers their security software on top of the Android builds and keeps a corporate security choice and sandboxes the Android consumer build away from the device, but we as consumers are at the whim of the carrier on features.

 

In those cases where a carrier chooses to not provide a feature over their network, that is their choice, but they cannot disable any feature sets on an Apple, but a network feature like WIFI or VOLTE , communications may not be supported, but it is there to be used at any time they choose to turn it on or not, but you can go to a carrier that provides it.

 

This is totally a decision by carriers and the manufacturers allowing them to do it.  The same pressure and concerns exist in the USA too.

 

And last comment on "grey market" - again a bit of research - a grey market is distribution of a manufactured product through non approved channels - purchase of a cell phone by Samsung and other companies from any carrier is not grey market - the last incident of grey market distribution of cell phones was Apple 4 when an approved distributor received an advanced shipment and released them early prior to the approved dates of Apple and they sold them at a profit, but under the marketed price that Apple.

 

The use of the phrase grey market is completely inappropriate to be used by anyone talking about a manufactured phone purchased originally through an approved distributor, so an unlocked phone purchased from another carrier is not a grey market - call it what it is - a corporate decision to not support phones that are not purchased through a Rogers channel - period.

 

Even if you buy your phone from a friend, that was originally with another carrier is not grey market, it is a used product sale of a legitimate product.

 

So the statement that Rogers does not support all features on phones not purchased through their channel distributors, configured for their network is the legitimate answer, they choose not to provide the software build or the configuration, even at a cost to their customers on phones not purchased directly from them - although if you buy it from a friend and it was Rogers, it will work, in fact they encourage you to transfer your plan or phone to others if you are leaving - another way of circumventing the full intent of mobility of the CRTC, in my opinion. 

 

Imagine if a TV manufacturer or home phone manufacturer restricted the feature set available - there would be you know what to pay.

 


Bruce

 

Bruce

I'm Here A Lot
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Re: Wi-fi calling on unlocked Android devices

Finally had enough and decided to file a complaint with CCTS first. Was told out of scope because falls into general operating practices and policies and to file a complaint with CRTC which I did (CRTC CaseID : 798262). This should not be allowed since I am paying for the service on my wireless bill (free native video calling canada wide) listed as an option that my phone does support S9 but restricted (base solely on IMEI not firmware, confirmed with friends Rogers branded S9 - works on his, exact same baseband, software, settings just will not get IMS registration on Rogers end because not a Rogers branded device).

I've Been Here Awhile
Posts: 4

Re: Wi-fi calling on unlocked Android devices

I'm in the same frustrating boat. I bought my Galaxy S7 directly from Samsung Store unlocked to use on my Rogers plan. Right now, when I need Wifi Calling, I have to switch my SIM card in an old iPhone 5S (unlocked from Telus...). I don't understand why Rogers are doing that. I'm considering changing provider for that reason. 

I've Been Around
Posts: 1

Re: Wi-fi calling on unlocked Android devices

I share your frustration, Rogers doesn't sell my phone of choice. I am going to file a complaint too. It is obviously just an shady corporate restriction.
I've Been Here Awhile
Posts: 2

Re: Wi-fi calling on unlocked Android devices

Possible to spoof imei?
Transfer GS6 imei to GS7?

I had no issues using wifi calling with Bell phone on freedom mobile.
But on Rogers, I get instantly blocked. Have you changed carrier at Samsung's CSC menu?
I'm a Trusted Advisor
Posts: 31,992

Re: Wi-fi calling on unlocked Android devices

Hello @popo

Its highly illegal to spoof a IMEI Number. Carriers that see a customer doing this can ban them from the network and take legal action including the manufacturer of the device. Remember the IMEI number is connected to the customer name / Adress and email. So it's not that hard to find someone do it this. So no unfortunately I would not suggest doing this.
I've Been Here Awhile
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Re: Wi-fi calling on unlocked Android devices


@Meowmix wrote:
Hello @popo

Its highly illegal to spoof a IMEI Number. Carriers that see a customer doing this can ban them from the network and take legal action including the manufacturer of the device. Remember the IMEI number is connected to the customer name / Adress and email. So it's not that hard to find someone do it this. So no unfortunately I would not suggest doing this.

I will take your advice and not attempt this, my previously post was purely a question.

 

I don't know anything about Canada's wireless communication laws.

However, I cannot see anything ethically wrong with transferring an imei from one device that I own to another device that I also own if my network blocks my imei for no legitimate reason.

My previous question was a just a pragmatic approach to the problem, since it's obvious Rogers isn't doing anything to fix this.

Other commenters mentioned a software limitation, but it seems to me like Samsung uses the same software ROM for all carriers, just different configuration files, that are preloaded on all phones.

I can't imagine Rogers going after small fry like me, wouldn't be worth the legal fees. Or what kind of damages they'd even sue for.

 

If Rogers is truly blocking phones from wifi calling features based on imei of vendor it was purchased, and not based a device's compatibility,

Then Samsung should be suing Rogers, not me(a former customer of both companies)

Allowing all Apple phones, regardless of vendor, to access all network features, while blocking features from non-rogers Samsung phones, gives Apple an unfair advantage.

 

Anyway, I'm glad a switched away form Rogers, just here asking for a friend.