Ignite TV home phone voice mail indicators

[seadooxp30]

Since I moved to ignite tv my phone only show “ you have voice mail” only until I pick up the phone.

if I pick up the phone and dial a number and put it back on the base, doesn’t show voice mail indicator any more.

i already called support and sharp rise surprise they reset my system without my permission!!

anyone have this issue when they moved to ignite tv home phone?

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[RogersMoin]

Hello, @seadooxp30.

Thank you for posting your query in the Community. It's certainly helpful to know a new message is waiting when the caller has recorded the message. It could be a device compatibility issue if you have already checked the Voicemail options and the message waiting indicator is set to ON. 

Community - does anyone experiencing a similar issue?

Cheers,

RogersMoin

[seadooxp30]

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@RogersMoin wrote:

Hello, @seadooxp30.

Thank you for posting your query in the Community. It's certainly helpful to know a new message is waiting when the caller has recorded the message. It could be a device compatibility issue if you have already checked the Voicemail options and the message waiting indicator is set to ON. 

Community - does anyone experiencing a similar issue?

Cheers,

RogersMoin

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Thanks for getting back to me.

I already checked all settings.

This is 3 months old Panasonic cordless system that was working fine with Rogers home phone before switching to ignite TV.

I have feeling something on Rogers side is not setup properly.

As I mentioned, I do see indicator on the phone but as soon as I pick up the phone and dial a number it goes away.

This is without listening to voice message!

[Pauly]

Hi. I dont have rogers home phone or ignite home phone but i will try to help. There is 2 types of voicemail indocators. One is the message waiting lamp or indicator on your phone. It can be a light or text. The second is a stuttering dialtone when u pick up. When u call in to the voicemail and listen it sends a signal to clear the light and indicator. Can you confirm this

[seadooxp30]

Thank you for your feedback ...
stuttering dialtone Is there.
This is the message on the phone lcd screen that show “You have voice message”
Nothing has changed in my enviremt from before except going from Rogers phone on cable to Rogers phone with ignite TV
I already checked everyvsettings and also tech support resettled my setting from their end ( which made me very upset for doing that without asking) and still same issue

[RogersCorey]

Good morning @seadooxp30!

I understand that this issue is primarily to do with the "Voicemail Waiting" LED indicator but we still haven't confirmed whether or not you're able to successfully retrieve voicemails. If you call in to check your voicemails, does the indicator light clear?

Can you please confirm so we can troubleshoot accordingly? 

Regards,

RogersCorey

[seadooxp30]

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@RogersCorey wrote:

Good morning @seadooxp30!

I understand that this issue is primarily to do with the "Voicemail Waiting" LED indicator but we still haven't confirmed whether or not you're able to successfully retrieve voicemails. If you call in to check your voicemails, does the indicator light clear?

Can you please confirm so we can troubleshoot accordingly? 

Regards,

RogersCorey

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Hi,

Yes I can successfully retrieve voicemails. Issue is only the indicator. (In my case the message on the LCD portion of phone "You have a voice message" )

[RogersCorey]

Good morning @seadooxp30!

Thank you for confirming. Unfortunately, we cannot guarantee that third party equipment will be fully compatible with our network. I just wanted to be certain that you were able to retrieve voicemails.

Have you tried contacting Panasonic to see if they have any recommendations for their equipment?

Regards,

RogersCorey

[seadooxp30]

I know you are trying to assist but this is typical of Rogers washing their hands off..
Did you see my comments about this issue from other posts?
Same 3 months old Panasonic phone used to work with Rogers cable
This is related to ignite tv home phone
Once again, I do see the message on the lcd screen that there is voice message but as soon as I pick up the phone and dial a number and put it back on the base message goes away !

[Datalink]

After the message has disappeared, if you picked up the phone again, do you still hear the stuttering dial tone, indicating that a message is waiting.  If not, then there is definitely a problem.  If the stuttering dial tone is present but the message isn't I'd say that's an Ignite TV service issue. 

This looks very much like an integration problem, either with the modem, or with the backend system that runs the integrated product.  The phone standards have been in place for years, going way back when, so, contacting the phone manufacturer to solve a modem issue isn't going to help.  This needs to be reported to the XB6 project manager, whom we have yet to hear from, unless it happens to be @RogersSergio

[seadooxp30]

Thank you!
That is what i’m Saying
“stuttering dial tone is present but the message isn't I'd say that's an Ignite TV service issue. “
I wish Rogers can see this and look into this issue.
Last time all they did eas resenting my voice mail without asking me!!

[Pauly]

Just a quick thought, the voicemail Indicator is usually a universal standard on almost all phone providers, and most of the time on handsets too.  Even though it worked before on Rogers Cable home phone and NOT working on Ignite home phone does NOT necessarily mean the ignite phone system is broken or defective.

A lot of the times this issue can be "fixed" by doing a reset on the actual handset device.   if picking up the handset clears the message waiting lamp, then it means likely something in the handset is thrown off and might need to be reset, cus usually listening to the new messages on your mail box is what triggers the voicemail to send a silent signal to your phone to "Clear" the lamp.  if the lamp is clearing without even doing this,  often just resetting the phone might fix this, but word of thought, clear your unread voicemails first, then reset the handset and it should report no message waiting, then call your home phone from a different line (perhaps a cell) and leave a message, then report back to see if the message indicator is working properly.

A lot of time other factors like the resistance of the wiring, the REN (Ring Equivalent Number), dsl filters, pots splitters and other connections on your phone wiring can wreak havoc on your voice mail indicator, and they know this is a problem that is why they invented the "stuttering" dialtone which will work in almost all situations.

[Datalink]

Yes, but, if the message indicator worked before, and probably worked for several years, I'd assume that its working correctly, personal opinion.  The only thing that's changed here is the modem. 

I wasn't implying that the Ignite Phone service is broken or defective.  My guess is that picking up the receiver is clearing the message waiting indicator that is sent to the phone.  That appears to be a separate indication from the audible tone alert.  So, this might just be a design issue, where the software designer thought that anyone who picks up the phone (with a message waiting) is doing so in order to listen to the message.  That's not the case here.  Funny thing about software design, the end users don't necessarily think like the software engineer and in many cases, use the product in a good number of ways that the engineer has never ever thought of, either in a design case, or in a test case.  Those pesky customers just don't behave like they're supposed to. 

So, this is pretty simple, @CommunityHelps should forwared a message to the Ignite TV project manager to determine exactly how the modem responds, both in the electronic message waiting output, and in the audible tone alert, when the user picks up the receiver to use the phone instead of listening to the message.  That test, and the Software requirements doc search should take about 5 to 10 minutes. 

Fwiw, we have a Home phone which uses the older phone modem.  One of the connected phones has a message waiting indicator.  If I pick up the phone and make a call, after replacing the handset on the phone, the message waiting indicator is still present, as is the audible alert if I pick up the receiver.  That approach makes sense to me, if I don't go chasing after the message, I'll see that message waiting indication.  So if the phone is used to make a call, or the receiver is accidentally knocked off of the phone, you don't lose that message waiting indication.  That's not the case with the Ignite XB6 modem, but, perhaps that's the way the code is written.

Fwiw:  Wikipedia - Message-waiting_indicator

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Message-waiting_indicator

[seadooxp30]

I’m not saying ignite tv is Brocken it defective. What i’m Saying is something on the system must cause this problem.
They already reset my voice mais service.
This issue appears on all 4 handset.
I already took the battery out to reset handset and still have this issue.

And again I don’t have any new component in my house or outside or new line.
The only thing changed is Ignite TV . I know with ignit TB home phone plugs into the main modem so i’m Not sure if that can be the issue.
I don’t have any internet or TV issue so don’t want to replace the modem yet.

[57]

Obviously something changed when you switched to Ignite. I also have a 10-year old Panasonic cordless phone set (as well as another phone that indicates messages with a "light") and these work on Rogers digital service like yours did. I have not switched to Ignite like you did.

If I read you correctly, the "voicemail" indicator goes off when you use the phone and it doesn't return, but the stuttering dial tone remains after a call? (My phones have both a light and an LCD display indicating voicemail, but I realize that newer Panasonic phones did away with the light.)  Does the voicemail LCD go away if you lift the handset but don't make a call, or only if you do make a call?

Since everything (else) appears to be working (stutter, retrieving voicemail) lets concentrate on the voicemail indicator.  

Is your "base station" in the same location as it was before?  Is it as close to the modem as possible - plugged directly into the modem?  Is that cord relatively short - 6-10' say.  I assume your other handsets react in the same way as the one that's at the base station?  To me it sounds as though the signal for the "voicemail LCD) is too weak since the stutter tone remains?

[seadooxp30]

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@57 wrote:

Obviously something changed when you switched to Ignite. I also have a 10-year old Panasonic cordless phone set (as well as another phone that indicates messages with a "light") and these work on Rogers digital service like yours did. I have not switched to Ignite like you did.

If I read you correctly, the "voicemail" indicator goes off when you use the phone and it doesn't return, but the stuttering dial tone remains after a call? (My phones have both a light and an LCD display indicating voicemail, but I realize that newer Panasonic phones did away with the light.)  Does the voicemail LCD go away if you lift the handset but don't make a call, or only if you do make a call?

Since everything (else) appears to be working (stutter, retrieving voicemail) lets concentrate on the voicemail indicator.  

Is your "base station" in the same location as it was before?  Is it as close to the modem as possible - plugged directly into the modem?  Is that cord relatively short - 6-10' say.  I assume your other handsets react in the same way as the one that's at the base station?  To me it sounds as though the signal for the "voicemail LCD) is too weak since the stutter tone remains?

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"If I read you correctly, the "voicemail" indicator goes off when you use the phone and it doesn't return, but the stuttering dial tone remains after a call?"   correct 

"My phones have both a light and an LCD display indicating voicemail, but I realize that newer Panasonic phones did away with the light.)  Does the voicemail LCD go away if you lift the handset but don't make a call, or only if you do make a call?"

My new Panasonic only have LCD screen that show the voice mail message indicator. No light on the phone

"Does the voicemail LCD go away if you lift the handset but don't make a call, or only if you do make a call?"

Only when I pick up and make a call, without listening to voice mail

"Is your "base station" in the same location as it was before?"

Yes exact same location, same wire as it was with Rogers cable Home phone

"To me it sounds as though the signal for the "voicemail LCD) is too weak since the stutter tone remains?"

but why does ir show and stay on LCD if I don't pick up the phone and dial a number??

[Datalink]

Personal opinion, the problem here is that the implementation of the Voice Message Waiting Indicator isn't the same in the XB6 modem as the previous Home Phone Modem.  That's the result of a deliberate design decision and software coding.  Not to say that its incorrect, but, obviously, you're not using phone as the XB6 coding team had imagined.  Who would pick up the phone and not listen to the message?  Darn pesky customers .... never use the product as their expected to ......

[seadooxp30]

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@Datalink wrote:

Personal opinion, the problem here is that the implementation of the Voice Message Waiting Indicator isn't the same in the XB6 modem as the previous Home Phone Modem.  That's the result of a deliberate design decision and software coding.  Not to say that its incorrect, but, obviously, you're not using phone as the XB6 coding team had imagined.  Who would pick up the phone and not listen to the message?  Darn pesky customers .... never use the product as their expected to ...…

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"Who would pick up the phone and not listen to the message? "

I do.....This is the feature that used to work. All I'm asking if anyone else have this issue or anyone came across this issue with ignite TV phone.

Not sure how your "Personal Opinion" is going to help me.

and btw, I do use the phone the way that was designed. That is why there is message screen on the panel so you don't need to pick up the phone to see if you have message or not.

[57]

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@seadooxp30 wrote:  "To me it sounds as though the signal for the "voicemail LCD) is too weak since the stutter tone remains?"  but why does it show and stay on LCD if I don't pick up the phone and dial a number??

I was thinking that the "initial" signal is stronger than the "sustain" signal. Of course it could also be software coding as indicated by @Datalink, but that's just weird.  I have not heard of anyone having this issue, however, probably most people do pick up their messages before making calls...  That's not to say that is correct because I may go to use a phone and need to make a call before picking up a message, or realize that the message can wait because I've looked at the incoming call log.  The "you have voicemail" should therefore stay on the display until you pick up your voicemail.  At least you have the stutter tone as a reminder, but I agree that the "you have voicemail" should be on your display regardless of if you make a call or not.  Perhaps this wasn't a conscious decision by the coders, but rather simply an oversight, or an error. I suggest you use Share a Concern.

https://www.rogers.com/consumer/contactus/share-a-concern (Not the chat, but rather the second part - up to you). This is mostly a peer to peer forum and although it's read by Rogers employees, they're not the ones who can implement a fix.

[seadooxp30]

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@57 wrote:

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@seadooxp30 wrote:  "To me it sounds as though the signal for the "voicemail LCD) is too weak since the stutter tone remains?"  but why does it show and stay on LCD if I don't pick up the phone and dial a number??

I was thinking that the "initial" signal is stronger than the "sustain" signal. Of course it could also be software coding as indicated by @Datalink, but that's just weird.  I have not heard of anyone having this issue, however, probably most people do pick up their messages before making calls...  That's not to say that is correct because I may go to use a phone and need to make a call before picking up a message, or realize that the message can wait because I've looked at the incoming call log.  The "you have voicemail" should therefore stay on the display until you pick up your voicemail.  At least you have the stutter tone as a reminder, but I agree that the "you have voicemail" should be on your display regardless of if you make a call or not.  Perhaps this wasn't a conscious decision by the coders, but rather simply an oversight, or an error. I suggest you use Share a Concern.

https://www.rogers.com/consumer/contactus/share-a-concern (Not the chat, but rather the second part - up to you). This is mostly a peer to peer forum and although it's read by Rogers employees, they're not the ones who can implement a fix.

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Thanks 57.

I'll try  " Share a Concern"  site to see if this gets resolve.

[Pauly]

Just another question for the op. I noticed you said you removed the batteries from your cordless handset to "reset" it. There is usually a reset menu with in the phone itself or a clear message waiting lamp option. Try those instead.