UPDATED NextBox Navigatr - December 2015/January 2016

[park]

Agree. Navi has removed many useful features or hidden them so even Rogers does not know where they are.

e.g. Please see the recent posts on how to turn CC on/off without having to go back to live TV.

Starting on the last couple posts on page 17 of that thread.

http://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/PVR_settop_boxes_remotes/page/17...

However to manually record:

(Right: You gotta be around to push the buttons..maybe @57 knows how to use a computer to access your PVR.)

1. Get on the channel you wish to record.

2. PUSH THE RED (REC) BUTTON.

[OLDYELLR]

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@CC wrote:

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@molly222 wrote:

Anybody else not getting any info in the guide for ABC Spark (I get it on ch.58)?  I reported it 2 days ago and just got my regular "still working on it" automated Rogers response.  Before I spend 40 minutes on hold AGAIN, I'm wondering if this is isolated or not.  Can't tape my kids favourite shows until it's fixed 

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Molly:

In Scarborough, ABC Spark is on channel 53. And you are not alone. My guide shows 'no information' also. @park had a suggestion to set the PVR to record manually. But that is another feature they took away with this NAVIGATR.

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Oops, I see ABC Spark is 59 not 58 for me (58 is Food Channel). But it still shows To Be Announced in the Rogers Guide.  Zap2it shows programming. Must be the Rogers schedule provider. The crazy thing is, even if you see a show you's like to record, you can't. Even the Manage PVR grid just shows "Loading" for that channel.

[gjdj]

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@park wrote:

Agree. Navi has removed many useful features or hidden them so even Rogers does not know where they are.

e.g. Please see the recent posts on how to turn CC on/off without having to go back to live TV.

Starting on the last couple posts on page 17 of that thread.

http://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/PVR_settop_boxes_remotes/page/17...

However to manually record:

(Right: You gotta be around to push the buttons..maybe @57 knows how to use a computer to access your PVR.)

1. Get on the channel you wish to record.

2. PUSH THE RED (REC) BUTTON.

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The issue is that if the guide says "No Information" then pressing the red button manually does not work.

I've tested that.  I can get it to record manually on channels where the guide supplies information.  But not the ones that don't.

It was frustrating for me, because I was trying to record something on TLNHD.  That was filled with "No Information".  Couldn't pre-program a recording using the guide.  Couldn't pre-program a recording manually since the functionality seems to have been removed.  Couldn't record manually when watching live by pressing the red button.  I think it was giving error messages like "Duplicate recording" when attempting to pre-program.  And it just did nothing when I hit the red button while watching the channel live.

However, TLNW (the time-shifted non-HD channel) had all the programming info.  Eventually I recorded on that station - although obviously I was disappointed to get the standard def feed.

As an aside, because they had the TLNW programming info, I feel pretty confident that Rogers had the information to populate the guide.  They just made a mistake, and didn't correct it for more than a week.

[gjdj]

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@rgottinger wrote:

@Gate420

Don't know what model you have but you need a better one. Also, what does "he one that only allows you to record one show and watch another" mean? My 9865HD allows that and permits 8 shows to be recorded while watching something else

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Up til 3 or 4 years ago, they were still renting and selling the 8642HD.  You could only get two channels at a time.  So you could watch one and record another.  You could record 2 different ones, and watch a previously recorded show.  But the limit was two incoming streams of live programming.

That is the box I have and it was still quite adequate before Navigatr.  On the rare occasion that there were 3 things on at the same time, I could always find a time-shifting solution or know that one of them would be available on demand.

I was given a purchased box as a Christmas gift, so I can't just ask for an upgrade.  It's extremely annoying that this Navigatr "upgrade" may have made my box obsolete.

[macbaum]

a. I would like to see the return of the ability to select and delete multiple episodes/folders

b. Except for those programs that have one episode recorded, remove all the panels that do not have any scheduled recordings

[rgottinger]

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@gjdj wrote:

Up til 3 or 4 years ago, they were still renting and selling the 8642HD.  You could only get two channels at a time.  So you could watch one and record another.  You could record 2 different ones, and watch a previously recorded show.  But the limit was two incoming streams of live programming.

That is the box I have and it was still quite adequate before Navigatr.  On the rare occasion that there were 3 things on at the same time, I could always find a time-shifting solution or know that one of them would be available on demand.

I was given a purchased box as a Christmas gift, so I can't just ask for an upgrade.  It's extremely annoying that this Navigatr "upgrade" may have made my box obsolete.

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Seems that PVRs have a life expectancy just like anything else nowadays and after a few years, new models are created and the old ones, functional or not are deemed obsolete. Its not right but its the way things are being done now and it isn't just PVRs

[gjdj]

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@rgottinger wrote:

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@gjdj wrote:

Up til 3 or 4 years ago, they were still renting and selling the 8642HD.  You could only get two channels at a time.  So you could watch one and record another.  You could record 2 different ones, and watch a previously recorded show.  But the limit was two incoming streams of live programming.

That is the box I have and it was still quite adequate before Navigatr.  On the rare occasion that there were 3 things on at the same time, I could always find a time-shifting solution or know that one of them would be available on demand.

I was given a purchased box as a Christmas gift, so I can't just ask for an upgrade.  It's extremely annoying that this Navigatr "upgrade" may have made my box obsolete.

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Seems that PVRs have a life expectancy just like anything else nowadays and after a few years, new models are created and the old ones, functional or not are deemed obsolete. Its not right but its the way things are being done now and it isn't just PVRs

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I guess, but this is worse than the obsolescence you get from PCs.  In that case, you aren't forced to upgrade to latest operating system.

And actually via an online search, it seems like Rogers only introduced the 8642 in 2010

http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/rogers-unveils-canadas-largest-capacity-hd-pvr-539707182.html

and people still seemed to be buying them from reputable retailers in 2015.

[rgottinger]

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@gjdj wrote:

I guess, but this is worse than the obsolescence you get from PCs.  In that case, you aren't forced to upgrade to latest operating system.

And actually via an online search, it seems like Rogers only introduced the 8642 in 2010

http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/rogers-unveils-canadas-largest-capacity-hd-pvr-539707182.html

and people still seemed to be buying them from reputable retailers in 2015.

I suppose, but you wouldn't buy a pc that was made in 2010 in 2015 either and there comes a time with PCs as well when a Windows version is out of support and the processing power can;t cope with the code that is written either. It may still turn on but new things won't work. New things are pushed out whether we personally want them or not and the attitude is take it or leave it.

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[park]

The SA8300 is a 1990s design and it continues to work well.

After Cisco took over SAs settop business they introduced the 8642 (NB2).

It had a few upgrades like the guide and PVR screen in HD, 

but it was basicly a cost reduced replacement for the SA box.

From my experience having owned both the SAbox and the NB2,

From the get go, ite NB2 was slow and the hardware was not very reliable.

[rgottinger]

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@park wrote:

The SA8300 is a 1990s design and it continues to work well.

After Cisco took over SAs settop business they introduced the 8642 (NB2).

It had a few upgrades like the guide and PVR screen in HD, 

but it was basicly a cost reduced replacement for the SA box.

From my experience having owned both the SAbox and the NB2,

From the get go, ite NB2 was slow and the hardware was not very reliable.

And you made a key polnt when you mentioned 'cost reduced replacement'. It may have been cheaper but paying less for something often results in a lesser product. Just like outsourcing development of Navigatr may have been cheaper than having inhouse developers, you often get what you pay for (or don't pay for)

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