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Datalink
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Re: Wifi extender for hitron coda-4582

@unidenjunky , yes, that should work.  Just to note, WPS is no longer secure and should not be left enabled in a modem or router.  If you've already paired the device, log into the router and disable the WPS for both 2.4 and 5 Ghz networks.  The paired device should keep working (?).  If not, log into the remote device and enter / reenter the network name and passphrase.  I'd be surprised if you had to enter the network name, but, one can't assume that the firmware design is completely logical.  



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Re: Wifi extender for hitron coda-4582

Does anyone know if it's possible to use MoCA while the modem is in bridge mode?

I have Google WiFi connected to the modem but would like to feed an Ethernet line back into the modem's switch and then out to coax to another floor. The coax lines in the house at currently disconnected and unused past the modem.

Would be nice if I could just buy a single MoCA 2 adapter to use with the modem, rather than a pair.
Datalink
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Re: Wifi extender for hitron coda-4582

@TechnicallyReal 

 

"Does anyone know if it's possible to use MoCA while the modem is in bridge mode?".  Yes, and no.  Yes you can use your own MoCA equipment (minimum 2 adapters), and no, you can't use the modem's MoCA output when the modem is in Bridge mode as that output is shut down and can't be accessed thru the user interface.  

 

There is a good reason why you don't want to use the modem's MoCA output anyway.  From previous discussions, Rogers has been locking modems into the D-High band only, reserving the D-low band for the Nextbox Home PVR MoCA system.  You will get better performance from a pair of MoCA 2.0 adapters where you can use the entire D band.  

 

The MoCA frequency bands can be seen on page 9 of the following MoCA 2.0 / 2.5 Specification:

 

http://www.mocalliance.org/MoCA2/specification/MoCA_2.0_and_2.5_Device_RF_Characteristics-160808d.pd...

 

There are a couple of choices in terms of MoCA adapters:

 

https://www.actiontec.com/products/home-networking/ecb6200/

 

There is a newer adapter out now that supports MoCA 2.5, running up to 2.5 Gb/s.  

 

https://www.gocoax.com/

 

note that you will also need a MoCA 2.0 qualified splitter to replace your current splitter and a MoCA Point of Entry Filter connected to your incoming cable to prevent MoCA data from leaking from your network out to the external Rogers network, and leaking in from the Rogers network. 

 

Here's a couple of links to MoCA threads that might be worth reading thru

 

https://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/Internet/Wifi-extender-for-hitron-coda-4582/m-p/425310#M53154

 

https://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/Internet/CODA-4582-MoCA-2-0-setup/m-p/447914#M57334

 

 



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Re: Wifi extender for hitron coda-4582

Thanks for the confirmation and detail. Much appreciated.

I'm considering buying a pair of adapters but they're $260+ everywhere I look.

I discovered that there's a run of CAT5e coming into my garage alongside the Rogers and Bell boxes. It goes along the garage ceiling, then disappears behind a beam beneath the room I'm trying to get gigabit into, then comes out in my basement near the electrical panel. There's no connector on either end so I can make use of it. The garage sticks out from the house further than the room above, and the garage roofing goes up at an incline, leaving some of the second story brick face sheltered within the garage. I'm thinking I can cut the CAT5e in the garage and run it through a hole in the brick and into that room. I have a 16 port gigabit switch in the basement near the electrical panel already.

If all I need to do is cut the drywall and drill a hole though the brick between that room and the garage, then maybe that's worth saving $260 and the extra complexities.
Datalink
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Re: Wifi extender for hitron coda-4582

@TechnicallyReal that Cat-5 cable might be the telephone cable that runs from the Bell box, down to the structured wiring cabinet where your telephone cabling for the house will terminate.  Unless your house is very old, you should have a 66 block where all of the telephone cabling is connected to.  The left side should have connected to the internal end of that Cat-5 cable, which ran downstairs from the Bell box, but now that its cut you probably have three pieces, one piece connected to the left side of that block, the long center piece, and another cut piece that runs into the Bell box.  The right side of the 66 block should be connected to the house telephone cabling. Here's an image of the top of a 66 block, left side - external cable, right side - house telephone cables. 

 

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8GC2dgYAoKc/VOTn4BHefXI/AAAAAAAAAro/TbfKRdPJj8M/s1600/66BlockParts.png

 

Which comes from the following page:

 

https://tombuildsstuff.blogspot.com/2015/02/how-to-wire-66-block.html

 

Edit:  If you have one of those 66 blocks, check for the other cut end of that cable, still connected to the 66 block and possibly connected to a Rogers Home Modem if you happen to have one.  Its likely that a Rogers tech might have cut that cable, which is unfortunate if you ever decide to return to Bell and actually have to use that cable.  

 

Fwiw, depending on the path of that cable you might be able to use it to pull other cables thru, point to point.  Just keep in mind, that you might want to actually leave a cable run in place, from the Bell box location to the 66 block.  If you can, in effect use that cable as a pull string, consider running Cat-6 cable for your purposes, and leave a Cat-5 in place running to the Bell box (for future consideration.  unlikely, but, hey, you never know).



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Re: Wifi extender for hitron coda-4582

The CAT5e is not connected to anything at either end. Iirc it doesn't seem to belong to either the Rogers or Bell box on the side of the house and is just coiled up in between them. There's a thick black cable from the Bell box that has CAT3 inside it going to the basement where it is connected to more CAT3 that populates the phone jacks.
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Re: Wifi extender for hitron coda-4582

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Re: Wifi extender for hitron coda-4582

Hi. We have a Hiltron CODA-4582U modem set upstairs, and I am trying to set up a Netgear EAX20 wifi mesh extender on the main floor to improve the wifi signal on the front porch.

 

I have the EAX20 set up and connected to the Hiltron via wifi, and I can connect to the extender with my ipad, but the extender is not connecting to the internet. (I have given the extender network a different name so I can see what I am connected to)

 

The extender shows up in the Hiltron connected devices page. The thing I find confusing there is that in the column for "interface" it shows MoCA, where everything else (computers, phones, etc) shows either wifi 2.4G or wifi 5G.

 

When I connect my ipad to the extender, the Hiltron connected devices page shows another, separate entry for the extender that shows the interface as either wifi 2.4G or wifi 5G (depending on which one I connect to).

 

I've spent 2+ hours on a chat with Netgear support, which mainly amounted to me proving to them that I had set up the extender, that it connected to my router, and that my ipad was connecting to the extender. At that point I gave up.

 

I keep thinking that there is something in the router that is preventing the extender from accessing the internet. Is there something in the router settings that I need to look at and change? I would appreciate any advice. Thanks!

 

TL:DR - my wifi extender connects to my Hiltron router, but it doesn't get connected to the internet.

 

Datalink
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Re: Wifi extender for hitron coda-4582

@globe can you check the extenders IP address as it shows up in the 4582's connected devices list.  Is the IP address  beyond the IP address of the 4582's DHCP range by any chance?  If it is, I can see that as a potential problem.  

 

If that is the case, see if you can set up a DHCP Reservation using the Manually Add Client method.  The DHCP Reservation is located in BASIC .... LAN SETUP.  There should be two DHCP reservation methods available if they've both been carried into firmware version 7.x   The first uses the current IP address.  The second is a manual entry.  I'd use the second method and specify an IP address within the IP address range of the 4852 which should  be something like 192.168.0.10 to 192.168.0.200  Use an IP address that isn't currently occupied.  When that is setup, reboot the modem .... ADMIN ... DEVICE RESET ... Reboot, and reboot the extender.  

 

Normally I wouldn't expect any problems even if the extenders IP address is above the 4582's DHCP range, but, with version 7.x, anything's possible as its built on an updated kernel.  So, maybe you found a bug??

 

Just out of curiosity, what's the status of the 4582's MOCA system, as seen at BASIC .... MoCA?  It should be disabled.



globe
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Re: Wifi extender for hitron coda-4582

@DatalinkThank you for your reply!

 

The IP address of the extender in the 4582's connected devices list looked like it was within range. I set a DHCP reservation with an IP address for the extender following your instructions, but that didn't seem to have any effect. I rebooted the router, and after it came up I also rebooted the extender, but no luck there.

 

However, I did find something in the extender's user manual about how to set a static IP address in the extender. The default setting in the extender is to dynamically get an IP address from the router. So, I changed that to static IP and set an IP address that is within the range of the 4582 (192.168.0.10 to 192.168.0.200, as you posted). When I rebooted the extender, it came back up with the IP address I set. And that IP address is now showing in the 4582's connected devices list. And now, devices connected to the extender connect to the internet.

 

The factory default IP address in the extender when first setting it up was 192.168.1.250, and it looks to me as if it was not changing from that for some reason?

 

also, yes, the setting for MoCA is disabled.

 

Thank you so much for your help.