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Re: Wifi extender for hitron coda-4582

@Datalink, thanks for your continued assistance!

 

I have the Antronix MVRA901B installed and as you’ve already mentioned, there’s no mention on their website about it being MOCA 2.0 so I’m going to go ahead and get one of the other splitters you’ve recommended. The amp I’m currently using is also used for voip which I have through Rogers home phone. Can you explain how I should set up everything once I obtain the MOCA 2.0 splitter noting I have to keep the voip/home phone? Thank you

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Re: Wifi extender for hitron coda-4582

@traghipp here's the reference page for the amp:

 

https://www.antronix.com/products/results.aspx?search=MVRA901B

 

You can download the spec sheet from that page.  That amp is MoCA 1.0 qualified, so, as it is, you should be able to run Whole Home plus one MoCA channel in the D-High band.  Only thing to keep in mind is that port to port frequency range maxes out at 1525 Mhz for MoCA 1.0, instead of 1675 Mhz for MoCA 2.0.   So, you won't get the max MoCA performance out of it, but you might see whether or not its feasible as it is.   In theory, it can only get better from there. 

 

I'd give that a go first to see what sort of results you get.  The one question with the amp is whether or not the original signal levels are ok without the amp.  That amp has a VOIP port marked on it, which will be a straight thru connection without any amplification.  There will be a 3 dB drop from input to output on that port.  Typically I believe that the techs will install the internet cable on that port first, and use one of the other ports for the Home Phone, which I also run.  

 

Can you have a look at that amp and determine if your modem cable is connected to that port?  If so, can you log into the modem, navigate to the STATUS ... DOCSIS WAN tab and copy the lower signal level table in its entirety.  Paste that into a post so we can figure out what your original signal levels look like.  The copy and paste process will paste in the text contents of the table. 

 

My concern at this point is whether or not your original signal levels are high enough to support a splitter instead.  Looking at the modem data, if its connected to that VOIP port will allow us to figure that out.  There are cases where techs have installed amps to make up for low signal levels, just want to see if this is one of those cases. 

 

Edit:  Just did a quick check.  The amp has in integrated MoCA Point of Entry filter and its MoCA 1.0 qualified.  The extenders are MoCA 2.0.  So, in theory, you should be good to go.  It should work, but not to the maximum data rates that you would see with a MoCA 2.0 amplifier.  

 

Looking around, here's one example of a MoCA 2.0 qualified amplifer:

 

https://www.ppc-online.com/5-and-9-port-active-return-moca-enabled-coax-amplifier-splitter

 

Looks like these have a VOIP port as well, which would be used for internet or VOIP.

 

There are probably other MoCA 2.0 qualified amplifiers around, just a matter of a little google-foo....

 

So, depending on your original signal levels, you would need a MoCA 2.0 qualified splitter or amp. 

 

Edit 2:  Ok, after a little google-foo.  Here's an issue that I didn't expect and that is the possibility that the internet modem, connected to the VOIP port of your amp will be cutoff from MoCA communications due to the fact that the VOIP port is fed off of a two way internal splitter.  Depending on how that splitter is designed, it might cutoff MoCA comms with the other ports, or, it might allow it.  Just depends on the internal design.  A quick test would determine what the situation is.  

 

It would help at this point to know what port the internet modem is connected to and what port the Home Phone modem is connected to.  

 

Have a look at the bottom post of the following thread, which mirrors what you're trying to do:

 

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r30513418-Connection-MoCA-2-0-with-Commscope-Amplifier

 

JWBoulder reports that he has a MoCA 2.0 network running, but, the spec sheet on the amp that he's using, the PCT-VCF-19P, only runs from 1125 to 1525, or, the MoCA 1.0 ranges.  Here's the link to the spec sheet:

 

http://www.pctinternational.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/PCT-VC-F15P_PCT-VC-F19P_PCT-MoCA-Bypass-A...

 

That's basically the same situation as your current amp, the difference being that the PCT amp is designed to allow MOCA comms with the passive VOIP port, where the internet modem would typically be connected to.  That connection to the passive VOIP port avoids any distortion that might occur in the amplification stages, which could cause packet loss for internet modems.  That is a known problem with the older Antronix amps which amplifies everything.  The techs usually replace those when they come across any that are still in service. 



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Re: Wifi extender for hitron coda-4582

I just found this one on amazon which is the one you just found. If I buy this one I would still need the moca filter, correct? And, if I purchase this one I am pretty much guaranteed that I will get optimal performance (theoretically speaking of course)?

 

Here’s the link:

 

https://www.amazon.com/PPC-EVOLUTION-AMPLIFIER-BOOSTER-EVO1-9-U/dp/B00S58MT2Q

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Re: Wifi extender for hitron coda-4582

Have a look at my "Edit 2" comments above.  The PPC amp looks like it addresses the same problem with the MoCA comms with the passive VOIP port.  From the spec sheet, it has a built in MoCA Point of Entry filter as well. 

 

Edit:  Only the PPC amp that you found would run two bonded channels in that D-High range, which will give you the highest performance attainable. 

 

If you're in Toronto, you might be able to find a shop that sells those, such as a satellite tv or radio hobby shop. 

 

Edit 2:  The PPC amp that you found on Amazon is a better choice as it supports the full MoCA 2.0 frequency range.  That would be my first choice. 



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Re: Wifi extender for hitron coda-4582

@Datalink, I can confirm my home phone is connected to the VOIP output and the main cable from the demarcation box is in the Input connection.

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Re: Wifi extender for hitron coda-4582

Hmm, ok, which means that the internet modem is connected to one of the amplified ports.  That might no be ideal, but, it just depends on what is more important, the Home Phone or internet modem.  I don't know if there is a priority with this equipment, that is, when both are present that the Home Phone takeS priority over the internet modem when it comes to connecting to the VOIP port of the amp.   Food for thought.   You could experiment by swapping the cables around to see if the Home Phone has any issues on an amped port.  

 

This is where the services of a tech come into play, to determine the best cable network topology to reduce signal losses to a minimum and ensure that all equipment runs within their signal boundaries. 

 

Edit:  check your message inbox.



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Re: Wifi extender for hitron coda-4582

I can confirm the MoCA2.0 works! I turned on the MoCA setting on the Coda 4582 and installed 4 of the Hitron HT-EMN2 extenders throughout the home. I'm getting close to gigabit speed with wired connections at every location. Wifi connections are similar throughout the home and there are no dead spots. 

 

To achieve this, I installed a PPC-9M-U/U-PI 9-port MoCA Home Amplifier that has a built-in POE filter and VOIP input. I used a splitter to connect the home phone and Coda 4582 to the VOIP input. 

 

I believe you can achieve the same results by using the MoCA 2.0 extenders by Actiontec that are more readily available online. I lucked out and found the Hitron ones on Ebay. 

 

I want to thank @Datalink for all of his advice. Without it I wouldn't know where to start!

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Re: Wifi extender for hitron coda-4582

I was thinking about using one of these WiFi extenders for a device with a weak wifi antenna but then I rembered reading in here somewhere that WPS was not a good choice. 

So, as a casual internet user, I'm here to find out what the potential issues are with WPS. 

Thanks 🙂

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Re: Wifi extender for hitron coda-4582

Hello @Pottertons!

 

Our excellent Resident Expert @Datalink has wrote a detail answer to your question in another thread: Re: Hitron Modem Wi-Fi Compromised.

 

Follow this link and mosey on over to that thread! If you still have further questions, don't hesitate to ask!

 

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Re: Wifi extender for hitron coda-4582

CODA-4582U WPS Button

 

Hello i'm adding a wireless extender with Ethernet. the device has a WPS button on it so i can press to pair it.

just wanted to make sure this is also the WPS in the settings of the modem and if there is anything else i should know.

 

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thanks for replies