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Re: Rogers Hitron CODA-4582 Hardware

@arnym21

I am not expecting e Gigabit speed over WIFI, I knew that much. Not sure if you read in my previous posts and my only concern is before i switched my plan, the WIFI was super fast for me and consistent. As soon as I changed the modem/plan as an upgrade, I am getting worse internet than before. Nothing else has changed in my home/walls/neighbours... Just the plan changed and Hardware... If it was a little better than before I wouldnt of complained, but its worse and paying for higher speed.

 

@soupy
1. Nobody said wireless will ever be faster than wired. Common sense.

2. I will speak for myself and 75% of the population. Only the older generation that were born earlier than 1980 will still keep a wired connection...the new generation. Dont even know what wires are anymore lol... so the future will be wireless for home use.

3. I am willing to spend for better equipment if I know what will work and do the trick. Any suggestions?

 

@BS
Great points and I agree as well with you but as I mentioned to @soupy majority homes will be completely wireless. Offices/Corporations always will remain wired, but who cares for them, at work I dont care if I am wired or wireless... at home i do because I'm not using the internet from the same spot...

 

Anyway I think we are losing the initial idea as to why I was frustrated in the first place... How can a new plan with a new and latest modem/router be worse than before (in terms of WIFI).

 

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@FITIMS if you read thru this post, or at least the portion with the history of the Puma 6 and 7 modem you might understand the rational for releasing the Intel Puma 7 based CODA-4582 last December. 

 

http://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/Internet/Rogers-Online-Gaming-Thread/m-p/411219#M49439

 

Given the ongoing latency issues with the Puma 6 modems which are the Hitron CGN3ROG, CGN3xxx and CGNM-3552 modems, my guess is that Rogers decided not to wait for the latency solutions for those modems and chose instead to push on with the development and release of the Puma 7 modem.  As a result, my guess is that the CODA-4582 may have been released sooner, rather than later, when additional pre-deployment testing had uncovered more of the initial problems.  It hasn't been a smooth introduction, but, in all fairness, Intel and Hitron have been rapidly developing updates for this modem.   At last count, there have been 17 firmware versions developed for testing and possible release over the last 12 months.  Not all firmware versions have been released as they have been rapidly superseded.  Intel and Hitron have been addressing the various issues as they have come up, including wifi performance.  Hopefully you will see a difference when the update trial version is loaded on your modem.  There is probably more that can be done in terms of performance improvements but I suspect that the emphasis so far has been to solve the various issues as they have arisen rather than explore the modem's capabilities.

 

As a general observation, poor wifi performance is not unusual in MSO supplied gateway modems.  These modems aren't designed or built for extremely high end performance.  Anyone wanting or needing that type of performance would have to invest in high end routers and wifi access points.  That would include equipment such as PfSense or Microtik routers or beyond, and Aruba wifi access points.  That equipment, at least the wifi access points require homes that are wired to provide optimum placement in the home.  One of the problems that we continue to run into on the forum is the lack of wired ethernet ports within the home that allow the home owner to place the equipment where its best suited to provide coverage throughout the home.  Some owners choose to build a new home and not include ethernet or RG-6 cabling during the build.  After moving in they discover that they are operating within a very busy wifi environment, fighting with their neighbors for clear channels and they end up having to buckshee some type of distribution system in order to use wifi for their laptops and smart tv's.  Thats a hard and expensive lesson to learn and at the end of the day, results in an unhappy home owner.  In some cases, beyond the modem or router, additional wifi access points are required.  To operate effectively that requires Cat-5e or Cat-6 or higher throughout the home.  Mesh networks are making their appearance in the market, but, personal opinion, those mesh networks have to operate in crowded wifi bands, along with everyone else.  I'll be very surprised to see anyone run a mesh network and claim to have higher speeds than one would achieve with a properly placed single wifi access point or via multiple wifi access points with an ethernet distribution system behind it. 

 

My personal opinion is that despite anyone's enthusiasm for wifi devices, you still need an ethernet distribution system behind it with enough locations throughout the home to effectively use wifi access points.  If everyone thought the way that you did and shifted to wifi only that would probably lead to multiple wifi access points in a good number of homes.  In my location within my neighborhood, I can already see at least forty 2.4 Ghz access points running and probably a dozen 5 Ghz access points as well.  The last thing that I want is more access points within my RF horizon as more users decide that "wifi only" is the way to go.  If we all think that way, we're doomed.  Wifi will become completely unusable due to the number of transmitters operating around us.  For everyone's benefit, it would be suitable to run a mixed network, wired wherever possible and wifi where necessary, including for mobility purposes.  That keeps the wifi channel utilization down so that everyone can enjoy reasonably fast wifi.  Without that type of approach, as I indicated above we're doomed, and in fairly short order.



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@Datalink
Thanks for the read man. I am really enjoying all the information in this forum from various experts. Everything you said is true and I completely agree with everyone. All valid points. I really hope the new firmware will improve the speed. Will keep everyone posted once its pushed. (hoping soon).

 

As for everyone being on Wifi, I believe that will be the future... which sucks but maybe another solution will come in play. I did just recently build my home from scratch and never bothered with any ethernet ports because it was never an issue. If I had the same issue I have now, believe me I would of gone the other route.

 

As I was reading more, I noticed that someone mentioned about a release of V2. of the CODA4582 A2 I believe they are calling it and currently its in Trial mode but apparently will be the fix to a lot of the issues. Let's hope its not just a rumor.

 

Thanks again in advance for your time everyone.

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Off topic, sorry.

 

I'm getting multiple notifications for some posts to this topic.  For example, I got 4 notifications for @Datalink's latest comment, each with a slightly different date stamp.  I got only one notification for @FITIMS's latest comment.

 

Any idea why?  @Datalink: did you edit your posting three times?  Oh, and thanks for the word "buckshee", new to me.  I did know its ancestor "baksheesh".  Your use doesn't quite match the definitions I read.

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@BS wrote:

I think in homes, as it stands with current technology that we will find a mix of wired and wireless technology.


On top of WiFi signal loss, Gigabit speed is simply NOT enabled in CODA, despite specs claim it can be. Hence, even in direct proximity to the source reception with such speed is not possible for a reason never explained to Rogers subscribers, despite they pay full price for modem rental based on its specs. I think RogersDave still needs to answer why exactly Gigabit WiFi speed is not enabled in CODA, and when & whether it ever will be?

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@Datalink wrote:
Without that type of approach, as I indicated above we're doomed, and in fairly short order.

As always in engineering field, some breakthrough may leave interference concerns behind, thus extending horizon for WiFi connections. It keeps happening with wired connections too, they enjoy higher and higher speeds all the time using exact same wired infrastructure. The right emphasis must be given to invest and find these WiFi breakthroughs rather then convince folks to hang on to old wired tech. It also saves money in building homes and the environment by decreasing the need in cables. Its paramount to ensure human safety too due to namely signal coding breakthroughs rather than opting for stronger and stronger numerous parallel connections.

 

 

@HughR

Re Post Edits Notifications forum software bug (or Rogers staff choice to have these Notification Settings switched off on the server to artificially increase forum attendance), you are invited to actively share your experience and requests in this thread.

 
 
 
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@HughR, yup, there were two or three edits to my comment.  As usual, I always reread my post to make sure that it makes sense (I hope) and that I haven't missed any typos or spelling / grammatical mistakes.  And as usual there is always some small error buried in a paragraph somewhere, or, I don't feel that the wording really says what it was meant to say, so, ..... more edits.  As a result, you ended up with multiple notifications Smiley Sad



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@FITIMS wrote:

As for everyone being on Wifi, I believe that will be the future...


Life is unpredictable venture full of surprises. Looking from a different prospective, resolution of consumer video equipment and video footage tends to double every few years. Just a few days ago HDMI 2.1@ standard was released, which sets bandwidth support up to 10K @ 120Hz with tripled data rates at 42Gbps. Even if modern codecs like H265 etc. compress video footage more than current ones, still its only 50-60% of current codecs rates. So you increase source data rate 3 times, compress it 50% more efficiently - and still need to bump network bandwidth to pass it through.

 

With current trend to increase WiFi antenna power and multiply transmitters as an easy way to bump bandwidth, electromagnetic radiation inside a typical home may reach unreasonably high levels without providing any notable benefit, causing instead health problems. Especially given the fact many folks put these emitters right next to PC monitors and own heads. I wouldn't be surprised if more and more folks would opt for their whole house being wired with low oxygen low signal loss data cable to prevent totally unnecessary and easy to envision health problems, especially for young kids whose cells grow faster and are more sensitive to radiation. Leaving inside a microwave might be warmer in winter, but not necessarily pleasant experience. Smiley Wink

 
 
 
 
 
 
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@FITIMS wrote:

@arnym21

I am not expecting e Gigabit speed over WIFI, I knew that much. Not sure if you read in my previous posts and my only concern is before i switched my plan, the WIFI was super fast for me and consistent. As soon as I changed the modem/plan as an upgrade, I am getting worse internet than before. Nothing else has changed in my home/walls/neighbours... Just the plan changed and Hardware... If it was a little better than before I wouldnt of complained, but its worse and paying for higher speed.

 

@soupy
1. Nobody said wireless will ever be faster than wired. Common sense.

2. I will speak for myself and 75% of the population. Only the older generation that were born earlier than 1980 will still keep a wired connection...the new generation. Dont even know what wires are anymore lol... so the future will be wireless for home use.

3. I am willing to spend for better equipment if I know what will work and do the trick. Any suggestions?

 

@BS
Great points and I agree as well with you but as I mentioned to @soupy majority homes will be completely wireless. Offices/Corporations always will remain wired, but who cares for them, at work I dont care if I am wired or wireless... at home i do because I'm not using the internet from the same spot...

 

Anyway I think we are losing the initial idea as to why I was frustrated in the first place... How can a new plan with a new and latest modem/router be worse than before (in terms of WIFI).

 


Very well put, my expierience EXACTLY ! 

I bought a good ($200) router and most if not all my connection issues are resolved (no increase in wifi speed tests over my 100u but I seem to have resolved the dropped connections. Say what you will about the general ability for these "Gateways" to handle both wired and wifi connection, this CODA modem is IMHO a huge step backwords for home users that are expecting a "whole house solution" I have gained nothing by "upgrading" and in fact it has cost me $200 to purchase a router to compensate for the shortcoming of this device.
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Re: Rogers Hitron CODA-4582 Hardware

"As a general observation, poor wifi performance is not unusual in MSO supplied gateway modems.  These modems aren't designed or built for extremely high end performance.  Anyone wanting or needing that type of performance would have to invest in high end routers and wifi access points.  "

 

Two things here, the previous solution (100u and black modem) worked well, and  WHEN SHOULD ROGERS TELL YOU THAT YOU WILL NEED TO BUY A ROUTER IN ORDER TO USE THIS NEW SETUP ??? With no noticeable increase in wireless functionality.