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Re: Using the Ignite TV Modem/Gateway in Bridge Mode

Hi, would you please share with me how you achieved that?

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@Sila wrote:

Hi, would you please share with me how you achieved that?


Hi, and welcome to the Community!

 

Sorry, who are you asking how they achieved what exactly?  If there something in particular that you are trying to get working or need assistance with?



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Sorry for jumping on this thread but can you use an orbi router when you use ignite tv?  Would the Rogers modem be set to bridge mode?

 

Where do they typically place the modem when they do the install. Could I have it on the second floor as I do now using my regular internet?

 

Looking at options before jumping in.

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@markb11 to use the orbi to support Ignite TV, the modem could be set to Bridge mode, or if the orbi has an acceptable Bridge mode, then the modem can run in Gateway mode.  

 

Points to consider:

 

1.  The modem will broadcast hidden networks no matter what mode its it. 

 

2.  The modem has two ethernet ports and two telephone ports. 

 

3.  If your home has an alarm system, that alarm has to be the first device that is connected any telephone system that connects the internet system with the outside network.  That presents problems due to todays typical home cabling, where the cabling for telephone, cable and alarm systems converge in the structured wiring cabinet which is usually located in the basement of a house, or in a utility room for a condo / apartment.  Locating the modem in the basement or in a utility room is probably the worst location you can think of, but, its the simplest in terms of its installation, which is probably why customers who use the modems Home Telephone capability, and who have an alarm system, end up with the modem in the basement.  Now, if you are able to run the modem in Bridge modem with a follow on router or mesh network, that is a way out of the modem location problem.  

 

4.  If you use the telephone cabling in the home for telephone purposes, but don't use / have an alarm system, then the modem could in theory go anywhere in the home where there is a cable and telephone port co-located.  In terms of the telephone system, thats not ideal, as the telephone signal has to run downstairs to the 66 block and then outwards to all of the telephone jacks.  Typically the telephone modem would be connected to the 66 block with a very short cable and then the telephone signal fans out from the 66 block to the telephone jacks in the home.  In theory, you shouldn't see much degradation if the modem is located somewhere upstairs and simply connected to a telephone jack, just be aware that isn't how homes are wired these days.  Only way to find out is to try it.  Without any other telephone modem connected in the basement or utility closet, the phone system should be available to connect to a telephone modem at any location in the home. 

 

5.  Keep in mind that running the modem in Bridge mode is not supported by Rogers, so, you would have to be able to switch the modem back into Gateway mode for any troubleshooting by Rogers staff. 

 

6.  With cable ports throughout the house, the modem could be located anywhere where a cable port is present.  In this case the tech would have to cross connect the incoming cable from the nearby local tap to the cable that runs to the selected location.  Your decision at this point is where to locate the modem, given the presence of an alarm system and the availability of telephone ports throughout the home. 

 

7.  It is possible to park the modem upstairs even if you have an alarm system but, that requires a tech, not a Rogers tech to reconnect and rewire the telephone cabling that runs from a selected upstairs location to the 66 block in the basement.  In this case the selected cable would be disconnected from the 66 block and connected to the input of the alarm system.  The output would be connected to the 66 block, which is most likely how its presently connected.  This configuration would result in the loss of use of that particular upstairs telephone port, if this is done correctly, as that telephone port would be connected directly to the alarm system.  Most likely you would have to call in an alarm system tech, or a home cabling tech to switch the cabling.  Its not hard to do, and it should only take a few minutes.  The kicker will be the cost of having the tech to show up at your door, which these days it pretty high, no matter what type of service you're talking about. 

 

Hope this helps.  



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@markb11 wrote:

Sorry for jumping on this thread but can you use an orbi router when you use ignite tv?  Would the Rogers modem be set to bridge mode?


Hi, no problem.  Depending on where this discussion ends up going, the Mods might move this to the Alternate WiFi or to the Ignite TV Gateway Bridge Mode thread but I will do my best to answer your questions.

 

First off, Rogers typically provides a turnkey solution for Ignite TV customers consisting of the XB6 gateway, set-top boxes, and Ignite Pods to extend the Wi-Fi coverage in your home so that the Ignite STBs have sufficiently good Wi-Fi connectivity.  This is the hardware that Rogers has tested and that they support, and this is the configuration that you might need to revert back if you should ever need to call Rogers for tech support.

 

That said, Ignite TV should work with the Netgear Orbi but there are no guarantees.  A semi-supported configuration (from a Rogers perspective) would be to leave the XB6 in gateway mode and to put the Orbi mesh into bridge/AP mode.  The original poster of this thread, @rookie8155 , is apparently using Ignite TV with an Orbi mesh in gateway mode with the XB6 in bridge mode.

 

Where do they typically place the modem when they do the install. Could I have it on the second floor as I do now using my regular internet?

Sure.  Rogers will typically install the XB6 in a central location on the main floor and then install Pods to extend Wi-Fi coverage throughout the home.

 

If you plan to ever get the Ignite Home Phone service enabled, that might require that the XB6 be placed elsewhere, typically the basement, especially if you have a monitored home alarm system that need to be able to seize the telephone line in order to call the central monitoring centre when the alarm triggers.

 

You can also install the XB6 gateway in the same location where you currently have your existing cable modem installed.

 

Looking at options before jumping in.


The good news is that Ignite TV is pretty flexible.  Rogers will provide you with a solution that works.  If you already have existing equipment that works well in your home, you should still continue to be able to use it.

 

Do you currently have a Home Phone service from Rogers, Bell or some other provider?  If you currently have the Rogers legacy Home Phone service, it (apparently) is not compatible with Ignite TV and may even prevent you from ordering the service.

 

Since you posted your question to this particular thread, do you have a monitored home alarm system that you will, at some point, connect to the Ignite Home Phone service?



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@-G- , Hi, I apologize. I meant to reply to someone's post, but for some reason came is a new post and I could figure out how to delete is. Anyhow, my issue is with Bridge Mode.

Please read below: 

 

At this point I really do not care about the TVs, I would like to figure out the Internet first.

Facts:

1. Changed the ip of the modem from 10.0.0.0.1 to 10.10.10.1
2. Rogers modem set on bridge mode
3. Connected my Soho 250 firewall's WAN to port 1 of Rogers modem
4. My computer connected to the LAN port of the firewall.
5. WAN settings: Static ip of: 10.10.10.2, Default gateway: 10.10.10.1, subnet mask: 250.250.250.0, DNS servers 1 and: exactly what I have on the Rogers modem
5. LAN settings: Static ip of: 10.0.0.1, default gateway: 10.10.10.1, subnet mask: 250.250.250.0
6. With the above settings: I am able to ping 8.8.8.8, but not able to ping google.com
7. Through the Regers modem GUI, able to ping 8.8.8.8 and google.com

Keep in mind that once I am able to establish the connection properly, a managed switch will be added between the computers, Rogers cable boxes and the firewall.

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@lavalamps ,

Hi, would you please share with me how you achieved that?

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@Sila wrote:

@-G- , Hi, I apologize. I meant to reply to someone's post, but for some reason came is a new post and I could figure out how to delete is. Anyhow, my issue is with Bridge Mode.

Please read below: 

 

At this point I really do not care about the TVs, I would like to figure out the Internet first.

Facts:

1. Changed the ip of the modem from 10.0.0.0.1 to 10.10.10.1
2. Rogers modem set on bridge mode
3. Connected my Soho 250 firewall's WAN to port 1 of Rogers modem
4. My computer connected to the LAN port of the firewall.
5. WAN settings: Static ip of: 10.10.10.2, Default gateway: 10.10.10.1, subnet mask: 250.250.250.0, DNS servers 1 and: exactly what I have on the Rogers modem
5. LAN settings: Static ip of: 10.0.0.1, default gateway: 10.10.10.1, subnet mask: 250.250.250.0
6. With the above settings: I am able to ping 8.8.8.8, but not able to ping google.com
7. Through the Regers modem GUI, able to ping 8.8.8.8 and google.com

Keep in mind that once I am able to establish the connection properly, a managed switch will be added between the computers, Rogers cable boxes and the firewall.


Do you have a requirement to use the 10.0.0.0/24 address space on your internal LAN segment?

 

As far as I know, even if you change the addressing for the internal LAN segment on the XB6 in gateway mode, once you switch it to bridge mode, it will still intercept and route connections to 10.0.0.1 internally.  This is what allows you to continue to access the XB6's admin UI, even after you enable bridge mode and use private address spaces such as 192.168.x.0/24 internally.



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Thank you for your reply. Well, yes. I have two Ubiquity APs and they have 10.0 static IPs and I am not trying to go through the process of setting them up again, but if push comes to shove I will set them up again. 

 

I do not believe changing the IP on the modem to 10.10 should prevent the firewall accessing the DNS servers.

Also, I still can access the Admin UI while the modem is on 10.10 (on Bridge mode) through the firewall. Because the WAN of the firewall is on 10.10 and its LAN on 10.0 and my computer is on 10.0.

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@Sila wrote:

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Thank you for your reply. Well, yes. I have two Ubiquity APs and they have 10.0 static IPs and I am not trying to go through the process of setting them up again, but if push comes to shove I will set them up again. 

 

I do not believe changing the IP on the modem to 10.10 should prevent the firewall accessing the DNS servers.

Also, I still can access the Admin UI while the modem is on 10.10 (on Bridge mode) through the firewall. Because the WAN of the firewall is on 10.10 and its LAN on 10.0 and my computer is on 10.0.


I just had another look at the configuration details in your earlier post...

5. WAN settings: Static ip of: 10.10.10.2, Default gateway: 10.10.10.1, subnet mask: 250.250.250.0, DNS servers 1 and: exactly what I have on the Rogers modem

You need to change the WAN settings on your router/firewall to obtain its IPv4 and IPv6 network configuration using DHCP and DHCPv6.  The static private IP addresses and routes should be okay while the XB6 is in gateway mode but you will need to request and obtain public IPv4 and IPv6 addresses if you want to have Internet connectivity when you enable bridge mode on your XB6.  You will also need to do this so that you can obtain an IPv6 Prefix Delegation for your internal LAN.

 

Also, I still can access the Admin UI while the modem is on 10.10 (on Bridge mode) through the firewall. Because the WAN of the firewall is on 10.10 and its LAN on 10.0 and my computer is on 10.0.


Okay, I thought that the 10.0.0.1 address for accessing the admin UI was fixed/unchangeable while the XB6 was in bridge mode.