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docsis 2 modem on fibre or ignite pacakges?

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I see that versions of my question has been asked before I like a more direct approach just to be specific. I have an older motorola docsis 2 modem. Yah yah go laugh at the old timer. Is there an “actual” technical reason why it cannot be used with hybrid fibre or ignite or is Rogers forcing an upgrade to scam a rental or purchase from me? Perhaps not now but after these promotions, back to rental fee.

For now let us put aside the numerous complaints about these  wifi modems, or that they are bigger energy hogs, or switching to bridge mode is not that straight forward. The motorola works great with my network at home and I don’t have to concern myself with securing a wifi. Yes these newer wifi’s are docsis 3 but I fail to see why ignite is not downward compatible with docsis 2. Not concerned with speed I have plenty of speed for my needs.

 

 

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myusername100 wrote:

 

I see that versions of my question has been asked before I like a more direct approach just to be specific. I have an older motorola docsis 2 modem. Yah yah go laugh at the old timer. Is there an “actual” technical reason why it cannot be used with hybrid fibre or ignite or is Rogers forcing an upgrade to scam a rental or purchase from me? Perhaps not now but after these promotions, back to rental fee.

For now let us put aside the numerous complaints about these  wifi modems, or that they are bigger energy hogs, or switching to bridge mode is not that straight forward. The motorola works great with my network at home and I don’t have to concern myself with securing a wifi. Yes these newer wifi’s are docsis 3 but I fail to see why ignite is not downward compatible with docsis 2. Not concerned with speed I have plenty of speed for my needs.

 


 

Let me answer some of the TECNICAL reasons.

Speed being one (though you say its not an issue for you).  The max speed on a docsis 2.0 is something in the 30+ odd range.  Vs Docsis 3.0 can do almost 1gb.

 

The BIGEST part.. is congestion.
The big argument against cable internet in the past, that as more people in the area got it, you would get slowdowns when everyone was on. 
Think of it as a road.  The Docsis 2 is only 1 channel.  So one road.  EVERYONE on.. they are all trying to go on the same 1 lane... you get congestion.

 

Going up to the Docsis 3.0 ones.. they started at 4 channel, then 8, and now up to 24 on the newest ones.  This now adds up to 20+ extra lanes onto that road.  There is very little chance of hitting any congestion then.

 

 

The switching to bridge mode is VERY easy.  Pretty much log into the modem, go to a specific page in the setting, press a button, it restarts, and your in modem only mode.



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Hello @myusername100

 

Thank you for your post and welcome to the Forums Smiley Wink!

 

Roger has chosen to optimize our systems to use the Docsis 3 modem with our newest Ignite internet packages.  There are promotions available that would reduce the cost of the modem rental fee. Feel free to visit our website here to review the bundle promotional offers that are available with our Ignite bundles.

 

Hope this helps.

 

RogersSannecia

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myusername100 wrote:

 

I see that versions of my question has been asked before I like a more direct approach just to be specific. I have an older motorola docsis 2 modem. Yah yah go laugh at the old timer. Is there an “actual” technical reason why it cannot be used with hybrid fibre or ignite or is Rogers forcing an upgrade to scam a rental or purchase from me? Perhaps not now but after these promotions, back to rental fee.

For now let us put aside the numerous complaints about these  wifi modems, or that they are bigger energy hogs, or switching to bridge mode is not that straight forward. The motorola works great with my network at home and I don’t have to concern myself with securing a wifi. Yes these newer wifi’s are docsis 3 but I fail to see why ignite is not downward compatible with docsis 2. Not concerned with speed I have plenty of speed for my needs.

 


 

Let me answer some of the TECNICAL reasons.

Speed being one (though you say its not an issue for you).  The max speed on a docsis 2.0 is something in the 30+ odd range.  Vs Docsis 3.0 can do almost 1gb.

 

The BIGEST part.. is congestion.
The big argument against cable internet in the past, that as more people in the area got it, you would get slowdowns when everyone was on. 
Think of it as a road.  The Docsis 2 is only 1 channel.  So one road.  EVERYONE on.. they are all trying to go on the same 1 lane... you get congestion.

 

Going up to the Docsis 3.0 ones.. they started at 4 channel, then 8, and now up to 24 on the newest ones.  This now adds up to 20+ extra lanes onto that road.  There is very little chance of hitting any congestion then.

 

 

The switching to bridge mode is VERY easy.  Pretty much log into the modem, go to a specific page in the setting, press a button, it restarts, and your in modem only mode.



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Thanks for the quick reply. Apologies for the dumb question but I am not a tech head. Ok my car (i.e. modem) was designed in the era of one lane highways. Why can't I drive my car on the fancy new 24 lane highway? Is rogers trying to make me buy a new car? It still sound like that is nothing technical stoping me from using docsis 2 on ignite, it is just that the marketing and corporate guys don't want me too.
What about the wifi? Can I turn off the wifi as in stoping electricity flowing to the transmitter and receiver?
Thanks again.
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@myusername100 wrote:
Thanks for the quick reply. Apologies for the dumb question but I am not a tech head. Ok my car (i.e. modem) was designed in the era of one lane highways. Why can't I drive my car on the fancy new 24 lane highway? Is rogers trying to make me buy a new car? It still sound like that is nothing technical stoping me from using docsis 2 on ignite, it is just that the marketing and corporate guys don't want me too.
What about the wifi? Can I turn off the wifi as in stoping electricity flowing to the transmitter and receiver?
Thanks again.

 

Your modem is only capable of using 1 channel (or lane using the highway analogy). So it's not Rogers trying to get more money from you, it's a technical limitation of DOCSIS 2.0

 

The Rogers Network currently uses 20 channels, and your DOCSIS 2.0 Modem only supports 1 channel. DOCSIS 3.0 Modems support upto 24 Channels. The more channels the modem supports, the more speed, more realiable connection, and less congestion on the network. This is because as stated not everyone is sharing 1 single channel, we have 20 channels to choose from depending how congested they get. Rogers wants everyone to uses the latest Modems (DOCSIS 3.0) because it takes congestion off their network, when everyone is using 1 channel it puts a huge load on that channel, by having 20 channels to choose from the load get spread out, and everyone benefits.

 

Rogers is also launching Gigabit Internet in the next month, using DOCSIS 3.1

 



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Again going back to the road anallogy..  that yes you could technically stay in the first lane all the time with the D2 modem..

But like a road.. that first land is usually where everyone gets onto the road.. it is going to be the FIRST one to get busy.. and you wont be able to change lanes.

I beleive.. upload is actually a tecnical limiation as well?  The D1s, you would NEVER be able to get the current uploads.


ALL the new ignite plans, INCLUDE the modem rental with it, no extra costs, etc.

 



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Thank you everyone. The highway analogy helped. So to wrap up
it is possible for docsis 2 to work on fibre and ignite but Rogers
doesn't want you too for their benefit........ and all the other
customers.

 

>>Gdkitty
>>ALL the new ignite plans, INCLUDE the modem rental with it, no extra
>>costs, etc.

 

Yeah I made mention of that. My concern is after their 12 month
promotion ends they'll try to stick you with a rental fee. They have
done it before.


One last thing, just curious, if I understand it correctly bridge mode
turns off the wifi but is it off off, as in no electricity to the transmitter/reciever?
As oppose to disabled where the wifi may not be active but the transmitter
is still on.

Thanks again.

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Its for YOUR benifit too..  Again, its to remove the chances of congestion for EVERYONE.  You and others.


There is no promotional period on the modem part.  The addons.. Shomi, etc.. there is a 2 year, i think it is (which could continue after, who knows).

I have been on an included modem plan since BEFORE the ignite, with the previous hybrid plans.  Thats over 2 years now, and have not been fliped over to being charged for a modem.

My understanding for the change over.. well.. is to prevent pretty much what you are trying to do.
Stop the cary over of older equipment which can have inpacts on the network, etc.  They are doing it to prevent people from buying hardware.. which then goes out of date.. but not wanting to get rid of it, due to having paid for it, etc.

This way, when the modems are included.. if all of the sudden they get something which makes a major change, they can go 'here everyone! bring back your other and swap for this new one!" at any time.

As for if there is power going to the transmitter or not? I really couldnt say.  You might have to check with the mfg for that.. i dont think anyone here would really know.
This just overall just for a power draw type question? (save money, etc)



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Ahhh...  modem is included not a ‘free’ rental.  That does change things.  Perhaps I’ll stay.  Just perhaps, not a done deal yet 🙂

 

As for the wifi, electricity cost is a small part of the reason.  I am cheap , and even though the extra electrical cost is small, nickel and dimes do add up, especially in Ontario, with this governments electrical policies those nickels and dimes will add up fast but moving on.

Another reason is safety.  I prefer not to be bathed in EM radiation if I don’t have too,  and if the transmitter/receiver is still on, that doesn’t help me.

Security is also a reason.  As I said I’m not a tech head.  I understand off (i.e. no electricity).  If the wifi is disabled but the transmitter/receiver is still on, then with my limited understanding the wifi can still be hacked.  I still have to worry about some guy parked out front trying to hack my wifi to download kiddie porn, followed by an unpleasant visit by the RCMP who are here to seize my computer.

 

I also browsed some of the other threads.  Maybe I asked the wrong question.  My life at least would be a lot easier if Rogers just offered stand alone docsis 3 modems instead of these all in one things. 

 

Gdkitty I see your name alot,  I don’t know about the posters but for a non employee I hope rogers appreciates the help you provide.

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With the latest change in internet plans, the modem rental once again was included in the overall cost, whether you owned your own modem or not.  Previous to this, the modem could be purchased and the rental cost was deducted in that case.  That is no longer the case. 

 

As for the wifi transmitter, its like any other modem or router.  If the wifi networks are disabled they are disabled and will not transmit or receive any wifi networks.  You can change the wifi network names and passphrases to fill them with garbage names and passphrases which will completely secure both networks so that no one has access, not even yourself, and then disable them.  You won't be bathed in electromagnetic radiation in that case when the transmitter is turned off and if they ever went active for any reason, their names and passphrases will protect them for any hacking.