Last year Rogers announced that it will be using the American IPTV platform X1. Does this affect any of the current cable television customers? Will current customers automatically be updated to this new platform or will this be in addition to the current cable service?
Note sure what searching for "Ignite TV" used to return (it returns nothing for me now) but I did come across this Rogers Ignite TV Demo.
It seems to be for internal use only, maybe? I can't log in with my Rogers ID and registering fails with the message: "Sorry but your email address does not have permission to access this simulator. Please notify your Manager to gain access."
I was in a Rogers store today and saw a display for Ignite TV. Saw the Ignite terminal and remote control. The terminal is very compact and just a bit bigger than a Roku or Apple TV. I asked the agent working in the store when it's coming out and he was only able to offer "very soon" with not much more information than that.
@Meowmix Thanks for the update - if those are the prices, they can count me out.
I am reducing my budget on Internet, home phone and TV and if this is the route they choose to go, well then, Cable to my home was a nice ride for 40 years, but this takes me out of the game.
What they have done in this, if it is correct is put it above the price range of the competitor, counting on a new unproven product, with known licensing restrictions and crippled components of the model, with the hope that those who want a higher speed in those areas where the competitor has not rolled out their Gigabit up and down and synchronous, but Rogers has slow upload speeds (we here it is coming - now there is an infamous phrase).
I wonder if they will roll out a similiar on slower speeds with a lower set point, possibly I could consider it, but for now, at that price range, the competitor does better on price on an established and proven product. Customer service issues aside, both companies have the highest number of CCTC complaints in the last review, and personally. They had best not cripple the current service any further and keep it available, because I see nothing here that even makes me think.
Just my two cents.
Plus I have an older TV - a 36" flat front CRT Sony - has great colour and it has served us well and still does. We will run it until it dies.
Curiousity - where did the quote come from, or did I miss it.
Starter TV, and 150u and home phone (local I would suspect with add on cost for what we use home phone for with business contacts and family in the US) for 149.00 I take that back, that is Bell for Starter and 50 and home phone, is almost half that. I have never had speed in my home, I just turned down 150 for a bit more over my current plan, because, listen to my words, because Rogers can't seem to here this one well - I am reducing my budget, I am looking for reductions in price and the mix of TV that I want, or I will go OTT and antenna, because Starter, or dropping HBO, or some of our speciality mix leaves us with much that we have no interest to pay money for things we don't watch or can get similiar or same entertainment via other technologies.
So maybe this is a bit of a lead test for reaction, but from this customer, not a chance. I would take 50 from Bell unlimited, over the top, a starter, and HBO/TMN and a couple of other single channels and be well under 149.00.
And I still have a tv that doesn't have HDMI. Why toss a good Sony CRT, 36 inch, flat front screen until it dies.
Based on new information posted here e will be a $150 installation fee that is not able to be waived. You also will be required to move to a premium tv package and a gigabit internet service making for $200 a month cable bill. My bill right now is $47 for cable and 11.99 for internet (Connected for success which will not qualify) and I can not use the box I own (An old 8020) so there will be a rental fee on-top of say $25.00 a month. That makes my monthly cable $250 a month. Not an option since I only get $247 a month on welfare. They are also going to have to pry my 8020 from my cold dead Hands since they no longer allow for purchase of the cable box. I figure it will be another decade or so before I am forced to do anything about TV. Unless Rogers forces the issue by force-ably replacing rental units, There is also the issue of a lot of people don't want to pay for internet if they have it on their phone. Again this is not an option for a lot of people. If I can get access to major networks on my phone and cast it to my TV why would I pay Rogers $250 a month for internet service that has no value to me. 25Mb a second through the connected for success is fast enough for me and if needed I can use my phone data plan or go to a library. TV is a convenience not a necessity and certainly I am not making 100k a year income so that this ultra premium service looks affordable
I read the previous articles, had missed them.
One thing to be aware of - the voice remote and the deep search across OTT and the TV channel mix is currently before the courts without a ruling as of yet - Tivo/Riko licenses led to the removal of the some of the search features and manage my PVR on anyplace TV which we currently have seen, so Rogers and Comcast are playing a bit of a gamble on the licensing of all those "neat features". Voice control would be good replacement for those with text comprehension and visual disabilities, so hope it goes through.
But still say, at that price point and install, I will be one of those who just sits back. I am still seriously looking at dumping TV completely as I have said before - it is just barely in the budget now, and we are currently in the middle of rejigging our spending choices and Rogers is the last big ticket item left to work with, while things like medication and maintenance on our 17 year old home and a 200,000 km car. Over 10,000 dollars on the house and car in the last year, so hope that is more stable. But maybe this is why they made my renewal on my older services with no changes so easy this time - no haggling, just renewed, no contract. Still lots of room to chop even my older services back, but definitely this model is for a time when my wife and I both had good paying jobs and increasing salaries, but that is not our life anymore.
My finances are not as tight as yours, but like you, I am looking at options like going to library for Internet, I already go to restaurants and doughnut shops - it makes for an occasional luxury for my wife and me.
I have no data on my phone, but all my services are pretty low end.
Thanks for speaking up for those of us who do not have the money to throw at a "luxury", and as you have learned and you seem comfortable with the reality as am I, you keep the focus on the ball in hand and use what you can get.
Hang in there buddy and enjoy life and each day - I have lived without TV many times in my life, if necessary I can do it again.
This one is a deep read, but yes, very interesting.
I was looking at the classification of TV watchers - we are watchers of cable news networks, and daily news TV on CBC, including cable News from Internationally.
We are not sports watchers at all. I get my sports via YouTube as my viewing is select to snooker, darts, road and track cycling internationally and nationally, and golf. I have no interest in the traditional money makers of football, tennis, hockey and baseball.
I follow it on the periphery via news updates and articles.
I am not a good enough TV watcher, I can just as easily give up TV period rather than lesser quality. I can get more than enough via YouTube to meet my music needs and documentaries, as well as very select topic areas like the study of Buddhism, health research, psychology, and online Coursera - I have always been an intellect with TV as a distraction.
And certainly I fit well into that group of watching off the shelf library shows from traditional TV, such as all the NCIS, Bull, and i am ok with Silicon Valley, 3 seasons late on Crave, and the new CBS All access offering to Canada is well priced and deep in content.
I do see the concern about how to keep Canadian content and tv production live, but as said a few years back, we have to become more capable of competing on the world stage. Consider HGTV's and Food and other similiar Canadian productions move into the US and England and various spots around the world. CTV is holding its ground well in TV production, as well as Chorus, but it is enlightening to get a third party view on the potential iimpact of the various model changes on the production and distribution industry in Canada.
But for me, I realize I have always been in the group that TV was a distraction for life, that I had a full offering of things to occupy me, and even though my health leaves me confined, and I am recovering my motivation to find new avenues of entertainment and occupation (which includes hobbies and daily activities) from a major PTSD episode, I am finding that framework to be available in different ways, and TV still remains nothing but a distraction and something that I am very comfortable with just letting drop off to the wayside, while finding the cheapest mix available to me, as I always have.
Certainly the new model that I see being pushed, both on our current Navigatr platform and now the IPTV is priced out of my ball park, and I have comfort in making the leap when I decide I need to and can let it all go if necessary. I keep reflecting on the fact that I have a baseball diamond across the street, lots of walking paths, beautiful parks, my gardens, and tons of wild life just outside my door of my home. I have my own national geographic and sports, and child activity shows go on outside my door every day, and no shortage of documentary and thinking discussusions available via online courses, Ted Talks and many others.
I do see the whole industry sitting on a precipice and if they are not careful, it could crumble, but I suspect that the Canadian people can pull together and drive the market in a way that keeps as a productive force in both Canadian and international entertainment.
But some of the BDU's are going to have to watch the trends closely as they could easily get in over their heads when it comes to moving to technological change in delivery while not keeping the customer and the Canadian market in their sights and missing out that the best technology in the world is useless is you don't have enough consumers to keep it going, or overprice it.
Good discussion, kind of an extension to the Let's talk TV initiative and wireless intitiative by the CRTC and its relationship to consumer product, behaviours, BDU behaviour, technology, and production, and also the whole perspective of choice and availability across the country. We need to always remember that although around 80% are in urban areas, that other 20% are in smaller less urban and rural areas, representing close to 7.5 million of our 35 million citizens, along with the need to consider a reasonable equitable access to media and Internet and communications to those with lower or low medium incomes.
@Sundog1966, @BS I can see this new technology is going to be very expensive compared to what I'm paying now for VIP. Fortunately, Rogers will still support legacy hardware and packages for quite some time after the change. If not, they will be losing a huge number of customers. Right now my cable bill just under $100 and I've decided once it goes over that, I'll be looking at other technologies for my TV entertainment. There is no way I'll pay double or triple what I'm paying now on my fixed income.
Some scattered chatter I have come across suggest that it will not be widely available until late this year (like December) or early next year (February, or March). Information posted here suggest there will be a $150 connection fee that is mandatory and the service itself will be in the $190 to $200 a month range. That qualifies it as an ultra premium VIP service as far (for the 1%'rs) as I am concerned given that my annual income is less then $3600 a year its not even a consideration for me. Maybe in five years when the decide to stop supporting the old NextBox and offer the installation for free and force to trade in your rental next box (Oh wait I own my next box so I can't even do that!)
I own my box and my bill is $47.00 a month and my internet is 11,99 (Connected for success) so they are going to have to pry my box out of my cold dead rotting corpse's hands before I will be changing over for anything that costs me a penny more. I even have a backup box in storage that is ready to go if this one fails (It was a freebie left behind where I was living by a foreign student who cleared the account off of it before they went back to china). So I should be good until I reach retirement age 15 years.
There would be no point for them even releasing the product if it ends at that price range.
They are loosing subs as it is.. increasing it by 200%?
It would have to be in the comparable price range to other IPTV services like Bells offerings, etc.
As for how/when, with getting rid of the existing system??
I have a feeling both will be around for a long time.. look how long Analog hung on?
Yes they will eventually try and move everyone over to it.. all development will go into the new stuff, etc.. but the regular digital should be around for quite a while
Oh, for sure! With smart TVs and so many lower cost and no cost alternatives to Cable TV now, such an expensive service would be doomed. A lot of my friends are currently exploring cheaper alternatives to Cable TV.
My parents are in the same situation. With a recent change in their disposable income due to forced retirement, My parents still have a need for Television, however they will be scaling it back. They can no longer have a package with tons and tons of channels, they can not have fancy equipment such as whole home PVR's or PVR's in general. Heck, my parents still have an SD STB connected to one of their HDTV's because its working just fine but upgrading it to an HD box is an added expense they do not wish to incur since they own all their equipment.
I suspect my parents will NOT be hopping onto this IPTV platform if the price range is indeed what I've been reading. They want TV plan and simple, they Do NOT want any thing PREMIUM or added costs. I know companies want to make more money on their products and services but this is NOT the way to do it. They need to realize that when they increase prices, a lot of their customers pensions do not go up and are still fixed prices
I will help my parents when the times comes to figure out what the best scenario is for them, but for now, no way are they going to iptv for the price ive been reading about
Some scattered chatter I have come across suggest that it will not be widely available until late this year (like December) or early next year (February, or March).
I'm not sure it'll be that late. I only say that because I was in a Rogers store last night and they had a full-on working display of Ignite TV. You could use the remote and try out features etc. It would seem odd to have that full set-up and a significant portion of their retail space dedicated to a product that wouldn't be widely available for 6-8 months. I asked when it was launching and all they would say was "very soon".
The pricing definitely sounds very high, but some of the features I read at the store last night sounded pretty amazing. For example, it said you could download your recordings to watch offline; they specifically gave the example of taking shows on your tablet when flying. I think that, if it comes to fruition, would definitely be a game changer for a lot of people.