@hp9999 wrote:
Ignite TV and Large Projection Screens in home Theatre
If you are considering switching to Ignite and have a large screen (i.e. 100" +) with an HD projector in a real home theatre, you will likely not be happy with video quality. With cable, I was getting crystal clear displays on all HD channels and excellent depth of colour. Blacks are now washed out, leaves looks fuzzy. The output was very similar to Blu-Ray DVD quality. This has all but disappeared. I also have a 62" projection TV and the video quality lacks here as well.
My general opinion about Ignite TV's picture quality is that it is better than Digital TV in some ways, not as good in other ways. I always found Digital TV to be overly compressed. It often looked good but wasn't always really that good. I dunno. Perceptions can be subjective so the things that bother me may not bother you, and vice versa.
With Ignite TV and IPTV in general, the IPTV encoders in the back-end can have trouble processing some source content, particularly when it is interlaced. An IPTV stream is inherently progressive so interlaced content cannot simply be passed through. (At the highest quality, we're talking about generating a 1080p stream at 60fps from a 1080i source.) The fuzziness that you mentioned with leaves occurs partially because their motion is random, not linear. When a complex scene pans, there can be annoyingly visible judder. Rolling credits can also look absolutely horrible sometimes. However, if you over-process when generating interpolated frames, you can get the dreaded "soap opera" effect. Deinterlacing properly is also VERY compute-intensive.
I try not to let this bother me too much. The Ignite TV picture normally doesn't look too bad. We're also not subject to the same constraints as DTV when it comes to bit rates, and the encoders and codecs keep getting better, so I'm still hoping that we will eventually be able to get to the point where Ignite TV surpasses the quality of Digital TV in every way.
@hp9999 wrote:
Thanks for the reply,
My comments about leaves was geared toward natural scenes with very little motion. On my system, I have not found motion to be an issue nor do I see blurring.
On my old system, especially on close-ups of animal or people's faces were quite outstanding. The lack of depth is my biggest peeve with Ignite.
Ignite looks fine on my 42" plasma set, quite similar to DTV because of the small screen size. With Ignite, screen size matters especially for a home theatre applications. There must be other users who have experienced what I have written about.
As I said, perceptions of quality can vary from person to person, the program content that you are watching and the display that you are watching it on. You might also need to make some minor adjustments to the settings/calibration of your equipment.
(For the problem with rolling credits, check out the end credits on a Doctor Who episode on Space CTV Sci-Fi. On a home renovation show/program segment, you'll often see judder when the camera pans across a room to show off the completed reno.)
Are the encoders up-gradable via a FW downloaded by Rogers? or does the hardware need to be physically changed?
It can be either. Encoders are EXPENSIVE so sometimes hardware upgrades are done incrementally, initially for the channels with the most challenging/problematic content. I also don't have any specific knowledge about Rogers' current implementation or their future plans. I'm only speaking generally from past experience.
The quality of Ignite TV has been getting better and better since its introduction. The Rogers team also listens to our friendly, constructive feedback, and that's why I remain optimistic and don't get too upset about issues that come up; I'm confident they will be addressed over time.
So far, my experiences with Ignite TV have continued to be very positive as well. When occasional issues have come up, Rogers has made every effort to resolve them quickly. I also don't want to be dismissive of anybody who continues to experience issues with any aspect of the service either. Hopefully their problems will be resolved as well and Rogers will learn from those negative experiences and use that knowledge to make Ignite TV even better for everybody.
Consider yourself one of the "lucky one" if your ignite tv is flawless.
I have gone through every single issue and currently suffering from micro freezing
Btw- I am in gigabite internet and tv and home
As someone stated above.. i dont think its necessarily being a 'lucky one'.
Its hard to say without seeing exact numbers.
But if you took each person on here expressing an issue, out of however many people overall currently have Ignite... thats going to be an Very small %.
Again without numbers.. its hard to tell. How many more have issues but havent complained?? How many more are completely fine?
Personally I know about 20 people on rogers. And about 3/4 of them have switched to ignite. And not one of them yet has experienced any of the major issues (outside of the once in a blue moon reboot of the box).
Its all in perception.
For someone like myself who has been on here helping others with their experience, going back to PRE the nextbox 2.0 boxes, and have seen all the issues that can/have come up over time. Digital cable has had overall I would probably say MORE issues than people here have experienced.
There might be very few present now... but thats now that its approaching EOL.
Gdkitty ,
One unhappy customer is too many!
Your comment doesn't help. So Rogers should ignore people with issue just because 90% don't have problem.
As I said I'm paying for service and expect to get what is advertised.
And trust me as much as I hate BELL, as soon as gigabit is available in my area, I drop rogers and run!
I was a former Digital TV customer and cancelled my service (twice) because Rogers could not resolve the constant pixellation and macroblocking that I was seeing on switched digital video channels or get bugs fixed in the set-top box software.
So far, I haven't experienced any major problems with Ignite TV.
Its outputting the SAME video standards.. 720, 1080i, 1080p, etc.. so it really shouldn't change from the one box to the other.
(Unless you were using an older box, which wasnt doing 1080?)
One thing to look at would be the video settings.. change from AUTO to a fixed resolution, as that might improve stuff (rather than it trying to match a resolution from the display device)
Pretty much once its activated, yeah, its hard to go back.
3 bedroom.. it shouldnt be that horrible. Even with the concrete.
Worse case, maybe put a pod in each room.. First room would get enough from the modem, then B from A, etc?
As for Ethernet, the modem does have 2 ports.
Rogers usually if you need more, will install a small switch there at the modem. (or you could install your own).
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