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Dllevine
I Plan to Stick Around

I'm not sure if anyone else has experienced this and I haven't seen it posted.

 

I have the nextbox3.0 in my living room attached to a 60" LG 4k smart TV controlled by the new remote.  I have 2 other HDTVs in the house connected via whole-home with what I believe are Nextbox2 HD PVR.

 

The new remote offers on/off Picture in Picture and swap.  The old remote allowed 'move' options.  When I turn it on, the 2 boxes open up and only consume about 25% of the screen each.  Also, there is no way to have one full screen and the other in one of the 4 corners (and moveable).

 

To me this is a significant downgrade on PIP functionality.  I realize the small boxes allow for scrolling the guide underneath but what good is a 60" TV with two 18" boxes for PIP?

 

Is there a way to restore previous functionality?  Or, since all my boxes have this new navigatr, am I stuck with this garbage?  I have to admit, paying $35.99/month to watch NFL Sunday ticket is now a LOT less appetizing.


Time to consider cord cutting (thats $120/month lost to you, Rogers!)

 

 

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Re: Picture-in-Picture

Hello @Dllevine,

Unfortunately, the "PIP Move" button has been removed/deleted from the new Rogers RF remote control.

 

This said, take your new Rogers RF remote to any Rogers Plus store and request the older model - you should get be able to get one with no issues.

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RogersRoland
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Hi @Dllevine,

 

Thank you for your post and welcome to the Rogers Community Forums.

 

Anyone else in the Community care to chime in?  @Gdkitty@robindp ??

 

 

RogersRoland

Re: Picture-in-Picture

Hello @Dllevine,

Unfortunately, the "PIP Move" button has been removed/deleted from the new Rogers RF remote control.

 

This said, take your new Rogers RF remote to any Rogers Plus store and request the older model - you should get be able to get one with no issues.

Re: Picture-in-Picture

Dllevine
I Plan to Stick Around

HI There,

Thanks for reply but this isn't the answer either.  I tried using a remote & box from another tv in the house and no joy.  

Re: Picture-in-Picture

Dllevine
I Plan to Stick Around

Unless they're somehow paired?  I tried using an old remote w/the Nextbox3 and it didn't bring back the old PIP presentation

Re: Picture-in-Picture

Hello @Dllevine,

I have a Nextbox 3 and it works with both the new and old remotes.

 

On your old remote - press the CBL button (top left) - it will flash red.  Now press the "Power" button on the old remote:

 

1) Did the CBL button light up?

2) Did the Nextbox 3 turn off?

 

 

Re: Picture-in-Picture

Dllevine
I Plan to Stick Around

I'll have to try this when I get home tonight.

 

Is the PIP functionality controlled by the remote?  Is this expected to restore the PIP output?

Re: Picture-in-Picture

Hello @Dllevine,

The PiP functionality is initiated by the remote but executed by the cable box (example: pressing "PiP Move" when using a DTA-50 digital adapter does nothing, because that adapter/box does not support PiP).

 

I don't understand why "PiP Move" button was removed either - I demoted the new remote to a bedroom TV (where backlit keys are important to me), and am using the older 5-mode remote as my primary.

 

I don't think Rogers will return to the older remote - the new RF remote seems to be the new one going forward.

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Dllevine
I Plan to Stick Around

This is promising.  I'll test it tonight.

Is there a way to 'pair' the old remote w/the new nextbox3.0?  Or do I need to un-pair the new RF remote w/the Nextbox3.0 to use it on my bedroom tv (good tip btw)

Re: Picture-in-Picture

Hello @Dllevine,

No pair procedure needed for the old remote - it will work with no configuration.


Don't worry about the new remote - you do not need to 'un-pair' the new remote to use in the bedroom (note: there has been debate as to if the RF pair procedure actually works -- when paired, the remote should work even if you point it backwards and away from box...never worked for me).

 

I hope everything works out for you!

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57
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Here's the thread on the RF remote:

 

http://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/PVR_settop_boxes_remotes/thread-...

 

Although the RF remote has some positives, like RF capability and backlighting, it also has some negatives - like fewer PiP functions (move, Ch+), no Settings button, difficulty in programming it to work with other devices, etc.

 

The shortcomings of the various remotes can usually be overcome by purchasing a programmable remote like the Harmony, which can often be picked up on sale for around $50.



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Dllevine
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Well I don't know what I did wrong on my first attempt but this worked.  Using the old remote I was able to get PIP with one full screen and the other small / movable box.  

Even though the RF remote has interesting features, as far as navigating the Cable TV, I'm content w/the old one.  Until such time as something better comes along for PIP, I'll stick with this.


What I'd REALLY like is full 50/50 split screen.

Re: Picture-in-Picture

Hello @Dllevine,

I am pleased to hear that things worked out for you. 

 

I second your comment - too much wasted space when using the side-by-side PiP. I wish they used more space - feels cramped even on bigger screens!

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Dllevine
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It's really quite ridiculous how its setup.  There's no reason to squish them up and into small boxes to allow for the guide scroll.  I don't ever scrolll the guide banner when I'm watching tv. I always press guide (because what I'm watching moves to a little box).

 

This can't be a huge change.  The coding for PIP is likely done at the TV (equipped with dual tuners?).  I imagine it's just the remote or box displaying limitations.  On a 60" TV the PIP is farcical.

 

Re: Picture-in-Picture

Hello @Dllevine,

The PiP code is executed on the cable box, and it probably isn't that hard to change. 

 

This said, I don't expect any changes to the PiP function until a new box is released - any only if customers make a huge stink about it. Don't think this is high on the priority list for Cisco/Technicolor. 

 

It really hurt trying to watch the Olympics with side-by-side PiP - hard to make out scores, times and other small text. 

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57
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@Dllevine wrote:
The coding for PIP is likely done at the TV (equipped with dual tuners?). 

 


No, it's done by any STB that has more than 1 tuner (8300, 8642, 9865).  We all noticed that the PoP (side by side) is much smaller than before. Navigatr made them smaller than they were on RTN, although Rogers denies they are smaller, we all know the truth.  I also have no idea why they are so small, but I don't use PiP/PoP that much, so it doesn't irk me a lot, it's just stupid to waste all that screen real estate.



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Dllevine
I Plan to Stick Around

Thanks for keeping me honest there.  I wasn't sure about the coding.

 

I honestly never would have noticed if not for football season starting.  I use this feverishly ever sunday from September to New years.  

 

The really annoying thing is I'm paying fo the super sports pak so I can watch all the games, and yet I'm squinting or not using it at all....

*sigh*

 

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57
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I understand that some people like to use PoP, but in my mind it's better to record and concentrate on one game. You can watch a 3-4 hour game in 1 hour or less each, so 3-4 games in the same time as one "live" game, thereby getting all the action by pausing live TV.  You can even switch from game to game if desired, assuming you have a 9865.

 

On Sundays I often have a similar "problem" with car/bike races (F1, MotoGP, SuperBike, IndyCar, Forumula E), but I simply record them all and watch them from the recordings (Full Screen, without squinting).



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OLDYELLR
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@Dllevine wrote:


What I'd REALLY like is full 50/50 split screen.


Really? I had all the PiP features on on my Samsung Tantus CRT flat screen TV before I had a PVR. Three different size pictures in 4 possible locations. The 50/50 split screen was the default after any power outage and it was the worst because the 2 pictures side by side, full screen, were compressed horizontally and difficult to view.  I used to be a big fan of PiP and always looked for it when shopping for a new TV, but the feature got discontinued on all but a few high end TVs. I especially liked it when we could get Formula 1 racing on both the International and Speed Channel feed and I could switch back and forth during commercials. Now I record everything and almost never watch live TV, so the feature is just a redundant curiosity.


Rogers PayGo. Location: S-W Ontario

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Hello @OLDYELLR,

I hear what you are saying, but there are times when you can't beat PiP (or PoP) - Olympic and Pan-Am Games come to mind (where you want to experience it live).

 

I have 2x Hitachi RPTVs (SD), and they have PiP functionality similar to yours.  The good old days...

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OLDYELLR
I'm a Senior Advisor

@57 wrote:

I understand that some people like to use PoP,


Can you explain the difference between PiP and PoP?


Rogers PayGo. Location: S-W Ontario
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