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Denim Upgrade

Glen_B
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Well it's time to get the conversation started.   Any thoughts on when Canada will get the Denim upgrade?   My son's 735 has it (we ordered it from the States) and it has some nice changes.   I really like the exploding tiles that put like items together.   Cortana is probably just a battery waster so it's no big deal to me.   Any thoughts out there on when it's coming or what you are looking forward to?

 

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Boardwalk
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Lumia Denim Explained

 

The following is a link to an explanation of Denim

 

https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/windows-phone/306/lumia-denim-explained

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michael-r4
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Lumia Denim

Editor: Sam Sabri     Last updated 2 weeks ago

Microsoft announced Lumia Denim at IFA 2014 in Berlin, Germany. Lumia Denim is the latest firmware for Lumia handsets and brings a handful of new features like passive-listening Cortana, 4K video, Rich Capture and more.

During development, Lumia Denim was codenamed 'Debian Red.' Lumia Denim follows the naming convention used by Microsoft, nee Nokia, for their firmware in Lumia handsets. The firmware names go in alphabetical order, starting with A for Lumia Amber, B for Lumia Black, C for Lumia Cyan and now D for Lumia Denim.

Lumia Denim is most notable for bringing a handful of new features to the Lumia Camera application on Lumia handsets. Camera speed is by far the area with the biggest improvement brought on by Lumia Denim, with between shot times of milliseconds. Here's the full list of camera changes coming with Lumia Denim (to supported handsets)

  • Speed: Never miss a moment with Lumia Camera and its fast camera startup and capture speeds. Take numerous photos with just milliseconds beyond shots.
  • High definition: Using Moment Capture, a long press of the camera button within the app automatically starts 4K-quality video recording at 24 frames per second. Each frame is of high image quality at 8.3 megapixels, allowing every single video frame to be selected and saved as a still image.
  • Intuitiveness: Get the best shot every time with Rich Capture, which simplifies picture-taking with auto HDR and Dynamic Flash. With Rich Capture, people can avoid the hassle adjusting camera settings; they can shoot first and edit and select the perfect shot later.
  • Quality: Capture high-quality smartphone images in low light with the latest-generation imaging algorithms.

Lumia Denim will be available with the Lumia 730, Lumia 735 and Lumia 830 and come to other Lumia handsets during Q4 2014.

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Glen_B
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That is a very thorough description of Denim even though it didn't mention anything about the exploding tiles that I saw on my son's 735. Now the question that remains is when will it arrive in Canada? The fourth quarter of 2014 has come and gone.

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Boardwalk
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The exploding tiles you are referring to are probably live folders. These are included with software 8.1 update 1, not with the firmware Denim update.

 

If you are on the Developers Program you would have had this for a while.

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Glen_B
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I've had 8.1 for a while now and these exploding tiles, or perhaps there is a better name, is not part of it.   On his denim equipped 735 there is one tile with all the entertainment tiles in it.   When you touch it the tiles immediately expand to the space below. This is different from the folder where you touch it and you are on a new page with a list of the apps you've added to it.   I'm not sure why but this new way seems much more impressive.  If you lift your finger from the tile the associated tiles quickly move back to it.  I expect it would get noticed on a crowded train or bus.   I recall reading about this feature but the actual feature is much more impressive than how it was described when I read about it and certainly more impressive than my description.   It is much more intuitive than the folder app.   I searched the term and it's often referred to as a Windows 10 feature but it clearly is on the 735 or at least the way it is described at this link is what I've seen.    I just checked his phone and the windows on both his and mine are 8.1 but mine is 8.1012393 and his is 8.1014xxxx so I think the Denim upgrade accounts for the difference.  He just showed me how he can slide one tile on top of another to create these exploding or flip out tiles right on the main screen and with any combination of tiles or sizes.   It is quite amazing really.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Phone-10-to-Feature-Exploding-Live-Tiles-467126.shtml

 

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Rockford
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I too am eagerly awaiting this update. I've had Cortana for a while (changed regional setting to U.S.) and find it very useful.

I most often use it to set reminders to myself.

"Remind me to x at y (time) on z (date)." and it does!

"The next time I'm at x (a place) remind my to y."

"The next time I talk to x remind me to y."

It's capable of much more of course, but those are the sorts of things I personally use it most for.

So much so that I occaisionally get a respons that I have too many reminders set!!

 

I'm looking forward to the faster camera for sure. One of the few complaints I have of my 1020.

Just a guy.

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Boardwalk
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"I've had 8.1 for a while now and these exploding tiles, or perhaps there is a better name, is not part of it." 

 

As I said in my previous reply you need to be on Windows 8.1 Update 1. This has nothing to do with denim which is firmware. You are quite correct that Windows 8.1 does not include this feature.

 

If you are part of the "Preview for Developers" program you would have received Update 1 a while ago which included your "exploding tiles".

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Glen_B
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I don't have Preview for Developers. I do have two Windows phones though. The 735 which was ordered from the States, has Denim and the exploding tiles. I really doubt that they would ship it with anything but the standard software. Sorry but you are wrong.

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Dos101
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The 735 is one of the phones that comes with the Denim update. Most, if not all, recently released Windows Phones come with Denim/Update 1 installed.

 

Also, to clarify, there are no "exploding tiles" on Windows Phone, just folders. Exploding tiles is a UI feature (similar in look to Zune mix view) for folders that is suppoosedly being worked.

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IainS
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sorry to disapoint you, but the 1020 does not get any camera improvements with the denim update. The only Phones that get the new version 5 camera app and other camera improvements are the 830, 930, icon and 1520 at this point.

I have an updated 830, 930 1020 and 1520 all running denim. btw the 830 is a rogers 830 running a french rom with the updated denim release with new camera app(newer than the denim on the original rogers rom).

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IainS
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the denim update released on phones such as the 735 or the 830 are not the final denim firmware updates, you will recieve a newer firmware that gives you the camera app as well as othe camera improvments.

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IainS
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the "exploding" live tile thing you guys keep talking about will hopefully make it into windows 10 for mobile. stay tuned to Micvrosoft news next wednesday as they are set to reveal windows 10 for mobile and an insider program shortly after that.

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Boardwalk
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I don't have Preview for Developers. I do have two Windows phones though. The 735 which was ordered from the States, has Denim and the exploding tiles. I really doubt that they would ship it with anything but the standard software. Sorry but you are wrong

 

FIrst of all let's call them what Microsoft calls them, "Live Folders".

 

The following are the phones I own with the firmware level and software level. All phones are on the "Preview for Developers" program.

920 Cyan / 8.10.14219.341

520 Cyan / 8.10.14219.341

635 Cyan / 8.10.14219.341

 

All of the above phones have the Live Folders.

 

I also have an unlocked 830 with Denim and preinstalled 8.10.14219.341. This phone also has Live Folders.

 

The LIve Folders have nothing to with the firmware and everything to do with the software.

 

Older phones with Cyan are wating for "Carrier Approval" for the new software updates. It makes absolute sense that Microsoft would ship new phones with the lastest software where they don't have to wait for carrier approval.

 

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Glen_B
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Well it sounds like Ian S has it.   If there are a two Denim upgrades that would explain it.  Also it sounds like we now agree that the "folders" , which I find quite useless, are different than the "live folders" or what I called "exploding tiles" and appear to be very useful.   This new tile feature on the 735 is a vast improvement over the standard folder.   I would give you the firmware number from his 735 but he's at school so I can't do it but I do recall that it is 8.1014 so it sounds like the same firmware you have but not the same as I have on my 920 which is Cyan 8.10.12393.890.

 

So with that all said, does anyone have an idea as to when they will get Denim out for the rest of us?

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Boardwalk
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Lumia Denim Explained

 

The following is a link to an explanation of Denim

 

https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/windows-phone/306/lumia-denim-explained

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Glen_B
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That link was very helpful.

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alstein
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Hi. I have a Lumia 1020 on Preview for developers running Windows 8.1 with Cyan. I am under the impression that as long as I retain the preview for developers, I will not be able to receive the new Denim update from Rogers. Would you suggest that I reset my phone and get rid of the developers preview in order to receive the Denim update? If I do so, will I be able to go back to the deveopers preview and still retain the Denim update, or will the phone revert back to Cyan as soon as I restore my apps and settings, Thanks.

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Hey @brandonjbarnard 

 

Would you be able to assist @alstein  with their question?

 

Thanks!

 

RogersAsif

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michael-r4
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You do not have reset your device,,Go into the PFD App and disable it,,Reboot your device and check for updates,,Once update is done go back into PFD and enable it ,,,Thats it your done,,,,

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brandonjbarnard
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Hello!

 

I can confirm that the steps that   listed works. I did as he said in his post and this morning there is a notification that there is an update for me to download. Will start the download when I have access to wifi and update.

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Glad to help,,,

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